Boehner's Epic Fail on the Constitution

John Boehners gets the spray tan in Oompah Loompah Orange so the Republicans can pretend that they have a person of color in congress.

GranpaJox: ...plus we had to walk all the way to the tv and turn a knob, just to change the channel!

:P

lol. I like how you just had to reply back even after a week. Nice one.

oh my bad, should have seen the reply link.

Why does Boehner always look like he went overboard at the tanning salon? LOL!!!

Jayar Jackson FTW!

"freedom of thought" is IRRELEVANT, it has no social context. You could also say I have the freedom to circulate blood, digest food, and divide cells. So what?

"freedom of speech" is limited by social context. You can't walk in a kindergarten class and yell obscenities or threaten to blow up an embassy can you?

Living on an island in anarchy you could torture kids all day and call it a "right", but in our society GOVERNMENT regulates, controls, substantiates, and yes "protects" our rights.

In reviewing our conversation to date, I think we have both jumped around quite a bit. So, I suggest that we both try to stay on a single point at a time and proceed from point-to-point. Do you agree?

In that vein, I agree that gov'ts can regulate, control, or protect rights (not so sure about substantiate).

I think that you are saying is that "rights" are ambiguous and relative until the establishment of law defining them. I argue there is a Law of Nature. Should we start here?

Sure, but I would state it this way.

You are talking about ideas and theory, while I'm talking about reality and practical application.

I've already stated that you can use ideas as a basis for developing governance and law, but it is no subtitute.

If we were talking about rights as an organism I would say that "ideas" can be food for that organism. However without structure (government) and the ability to regulate, control, and protect itself. Then that organism can not exist.

oolong,

Would you agree with the following assertion:

1. In a state of nature each individual has complete freedom over themself. But that in pratical application this freedom is short lived because without an enforcement mechanism no one can enforce their claims/rights to this freedom, and, therefore, the strong can do whatever they like.

To use your analogy: that the organism of rights is born; but without gov't it dies the minute it is born.