Art Pepper & Warne Marsh - I Can't Believe That You're In Lo

Nice saxophone interplay and group effort. Art Pepper, alto; Warne Marsh, tenor; Ronnie Ball, piano; Ben Tucker, bass; Gary Frommer, drums; Nov. 26, 1956.

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Music

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• jazz
• art
• pepper
• warne
• marsh
• ronnie
• ball
• alto
• tenor
• saxophone
• piano

[adeduction]

thesun4mj1: Your dad was a great drummer. How I enjoyed putting on those great Art Pepper albums he played drums on and playing along with them! Why did Art Pepper say your dad WAS a good friend of mine & WAS extremely talented;? I lived in LA from 1975-2000 & don't ever remember seeing or reading that your dad was playing drums anywhere with anyone so I'm a little surprised that he died just 4 years ago. Did he change careers, stop playing drums to do something else - like Stan Levey did?

[kocn53]

The music was recorded in 1956 but was not released until 1972, and that's when Art wrote his comments. The album is a collection of tunes recorded by many different groups, all more than 12 years prior to 1972. Art's notes refer to the collection as being from a bygone era (as it did seem in 1972, as almost no one was playing in 1950s styles then) and used the past tense almost exclusively. He even referred to Warne Marsh in the past tense although Warne was very much alive in 1972.

[woodlawn4623]

Many years back, Art Pepper was on an album with Shorty rogers and some other big names in west coast jazz and Art's name was given as Art Salt. I was puzzled - who is that! Then I learned it was Pepper but he wasn't supposed to play with that group due to some contract stuff.

[kocn53]

Thanks for the cooment. I read about that somewhere, and if I recall correctly, a reviewer of the album implied that he thought "Art Salt" was black. Art was immensely pleased by that.

[woodlawn4623]

I bet he was. i seem to recall that as well.

[kocn53]

User cdbpdx has posted a TON of 78s. I saw 1 or 2 with "Art Salt" credited as a player. Don't recall the title(s). Take a look, you will be delighted by what is there.

[foodwineguy]

Art pepper is great but if you don't think that Warne Marsh has something to say here..... He is one of the most underrated improvisers in the history of jazz. I knew Art after his comeback and took lessons from Warne Marsh. 2 of the greatest ever! From very different schools but dig the interplay of their trading and the joint improvising. There is nothing harder than to create simultaneously & say something together and these guys do it effortlessly. I miss them both but oh the memories!

[jgrodnik]

Art Pepper's at the top of his game here. thanks.

[thisiskc]

@JacobShulman Hello Jacob! Yep, still in production. We're in the process of editing a trailer from what we have so far to do fundraising to cover additional production and post costs. Probably a year at least before there will be something to see beyond trailers. We're going to festivals first and then likely DVD. You can keep tabs on the project via the Facebook page and in the next couple months a proper website. Thanks so much for your interest! K.C.

[JacobShulman]

@thisiskc Did that documentary ever come to fruition? Your father is my hero.

[Mugglemama]

@thesun4mj1 So THAT explains why I found all those Art Pepper albums in my Dad's album collection after he himself passed away. Gary was his dear friend...in fact, my Dad was never the same during the 4 years between Gary's passing and his own. There was a box I found at my Dad's house after he died, marked, "Gary's things". Papers & photos - let me know if you want it. :)

[Mugglemama]

So THAT explains why I found all those Art Pepper albums in my Dad's album collection after he himself passed away. Gary was his dear friend...in fact, my Dad was never the same after losing him. He was a lifelong family friend, but I didn't know much about his professional music life.

[Mugglemama]

So THAT explains why I found all those Art Pepper albums in my Dad's album collection after he himself passed away. Gary was his dear friend...in fact, my Dad was never the same after losing him. He was a lifelong family friend, but I didn't know much about his professional music life. To whom I am assuming is one of Gary's daughters?...I have box marked, "Gary's things" that was in my Dad's apartment. I made sure to bring it home..just papers & photos - let me know if you want it. :)

[Mugglemama]

So THAT explains why I found all those Art Pepper albums in my Dad's album collection after he himself passed away. Gary was his dear friend...in fact, my Dad was never the same after losing him. To whom I am assuming is one of Gary's daughters?...I have a box marked, "Gary's things" that was in my Dad's apartment. I made sure to bring it home...it's just some papers and photos, but I have it if you're interested in it.

[thisiskc]

There's a documentary being done about Warne Marsh called, "Warne Marsh: An Improvised Life". There's a face book fan page up for it. I'm the director, his son, K.C. Marsh. This is a fabulous clip.

[adeduction]

@ocnoreen - What I meant was I was surprised to hear that he had passed away just 5 years ago because when I was in LA in the early 70's & went to clubs & concerts & I can't remember ever reading or hearing about Gary Frommer playing in a group anywhere in LA then. I would have gone out of my way to go & see him. Glad to hear he was alive & happy & living (&probably playing) in Tahoe then. I still enjoy listening to him on 'Art Pepper Quartet' recorded in '56. He really was a great drummer.

[ocnoreen]

@adeduction Gary Frommer was on the scene way before 1975. The entire musical jazz scene was evolving and many of the players had moved from L.A. by 1975 because the studio scene had also changed or was changing. I saw Gary in L.A. in the early seventies and I believe he told me he was living up at Tahoe. He said he was happily married. Gary was an incredible drummer who introduced me to other music besides jazz.