Brawl Minus: Yoshi- Potential Changes

Since I like making videos of things I change SUPER LATE AT NIGHT, I decided to record some of the interesting changes I made over last night to Yoshi.

I've been tired of Yoshi's somewhat simple minded playstyle and changes, which basically left him relatively unchanged except for his awesome up B, stupidly good fair, and strange ftilt. So I decided to make a small overhaul to Yoshi, for the good of the team. None of these are 100% final, mind you.

Some of the main changes include:
-Both second and third jump are "DJC" or whatever (jump cancels). Just an experiment that I'm working on, I would rather just one of them be a JC. We'll see how it goes.
-Fair is no longer ridiculous, nor does it have its flower (also side B has lost its flower), meaning its damage output isn't borderline outrageous.
-Grounded Down Special now can be interrupted by attack and jump at the peak of the up-swing, so it can be a surprise attack.
-Neutral B can now be jump interrupted in the air and the ground, making it less laggy. It can also be grab interrupted, including when Yoshi actually gets the opponent in his mouth, which means he can reel them in then get a throw off. Sounds wonky, but it works, as shown early in the video.
-Nair's knockback has been reduced, making it more reasonable with how quickly Yoshi can use it.
-Ftilt hits at a normal angle now.

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[theyoshine]

I think the down B might need some tweaking because if done right you could hover in the air forever and cheap you way out of a match

and I think the 3rd JC could be removed

other than that wonderful improvement

I main as B- yoshi and the update really adds to the meta game

the thing I'm really glad about is the flower removal

I cant wait for the download

[XylessBrawl]

@theyoshine Down B is jump cancelable in the air, so in the section that I spammed it, each of them was JC'd then repeated. So you could only hypothetically hover 3 times, and then you have no jumps left, which would be a bad idea.

I'm glad you are glad about the flower removal. A lot of people have been complaining to me about it, but the issue is that most people consider it to be weak or cosmetic. There's a reason no move in vB does the flower aside from the Lip's Stick.

[matttheshark]

if you were to jump cancel the egg lay into say, a nair, would the knockback still happen or would they go into the egg first?

[XylessBrawl]

@matttheshark The egg laying part is not jump cancelable, only grab cancelable. If I did make it jump cancelable, it would combo perfectly into a nair and, most likely, any aerial. But it doesn't work like it seems it should, so I decided to just fully remove the jump cancel.

[matttheshark]

kinda iffy about the djc too, in my experience with other brawl versions it's always been...weird feeling, switching between rising aerials and jump canceled aerials.

[XylessBrawl]

@matttheshark Oh, I'm iffy about the DJC too. I forced full JC just to see how it'd be (I wanted it on just one of the double jumps, but couldn't figure out how). At the very least, I'm going to try to implement the same DJC that Ness/Lucas have and see how that goes. In other words, if you're holding jump while doing an aerial, you don't DJC, but otherwise you do. It'd make Yoshi more "canon" and still give players the option to NOT lose their jump.

[videogamecactus]

Epic background music. :D

[Chzrm3]

@scorpionXful I said "solely". If you found my later comments insulting, it was because you had over-reacted to what I'd initially said and were being surprisingly crass/argumentative - therefore, I wasn't insulting you 'solely' because you felt differently than I did about Yoshi.

And yeah, I did like your smiley face! : D You should use then more often online, it takes the edge off.

[scorpionXful]

@Chzrm3 "I'd never start slinging personal insults at somebody solely because they felt differently than I did..."

Dude, look at your 3rd comment... Don't get me wrong, I don't think that you liking yoshi is a bad thing, even if I can't understand how someone can think that a baby dinosaur is badass. And yay, more smiley faces... Oh, yes your second paragraph... Again, something a tad more original please. (: Like my smiley face?

[Chzrm3]

@scorpionXful What I'm saying is that, in the grand scheme of things, this doesn't really matter. Don't get me wrong, I love discussing video games, video game characters, etc... but I'd never start slinging personal insults at someone solely because they felt differently than I did about Yoshi's badass nature, haha.

That said, if it makes you feel better to insult me, then I'm fine with that. Lash out against me as much as you want, I really won't mind. : ) I still love Yoshi. ; D

[SlayerZaxy]

I see DJC :D

[scorpionXful]

@Chzrm3 Continued:

P.S. Please come up with less cliche insults. I nearly fainted from the unoriginality of your remarks. And of course, everyone knows that putting smiley faces at the end of insults makes it all right. Right? :P

[scorpionXful]

@Chzrm3 Oh, I just love it when someone runs out of ideas and changes the subject while arguing. I'm sorry, I was under the impression that you were the one taking this extremely seriously. Of course I know that there are more important things than games. The only thing that made my mad was your idiotic remark about yosh beating 90% of the cast. I simply couldn't get over how anybody could be dumb enough to think that. Also, I'd say YOUR the one getting bent out of shape.

[Chzrm3]

@scorpionXful When I said "he's a dinosaur" it was a tongue-in-cheek joke, poking fun at the fact that you were taking a character's existence in smash brothers extremely seriously.

Honestly, you getting bent out of shape over the fact that I find a video game character badass is really funny. You need to get laid and graduate high school, that'll put some perspective on your life and make you realize that there are things worth getting upset over, and this isn't one of them. : P

[scorpionXful]

@Chzrm3 Cont; That and you saying that he could slaughter 90% of the cast because he's a DINOSAUR? Sure yoshi would slaughter normal humans, but yoshi would be no more trouble than a bug if he went against anyone else in brawl except for jiggz and diddy. Just because YOU like him doesn't make him powerful. Deal with it.

Opinion: you think that baby dinosaurs are badass... Fact: 90% of all humans are complete idiots; you're no exception. I'll be waiting for your reply... Good luck.

[scorpionXful]

@Chzrm3 Wow, you're more of an idiot than I thought... It's your opinion. Just because you think he's badass dose not make it a fact. The world doesn't revolve around your opinions; i'm sorry if this came as a shock to you. Also, you can apply "logic" to video games by looking at what their abilities are and comparing. Think about it, yoshi is about as powerful as a velociraptor, at best. Mario is a superhuman that can pick up a castle, and he's not even that powerful compared with the rest.