Objective Morality vs. Christianity [William Lane Craig]

I don't think that arguing against objective morality, or arguing FOR it but towards a naturalistic source, are the only options. Take a look at what happens when we (even hypothetically) concede that it has a theistic basis! It certainly doesn't do Christianity any favors.
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Why couldn't an objective morality simply make sense? Why does looking at morality through the lens of Christianity make such LITTLE sense? Well, it's obvious why - Christianity and its god is nonsense. There could be no clearer sign that Christianity is a man-made bunch of bollocks, than to look at its claims on objective morality. All these special pleadings about context and new vs old covenants are the dying gasps of a belief system that before long won't have anyone even TRYING to make it make sense. You'd be better off trying to argue that Joseph Fritzl is the greatest father that the world has ever known (within a certain context).

Look elsewhere for an objective moral law giver, other than Christianity, for the god that you are convinced must exist. It can't hurt - and the bible has caused enough problems on this planet, with its contradictory and wicked claims and commands. Don't support, or give cover, to those who want us to base our modern societies around that absurd mess of a book. Be honest with yourself, and reject it, as people do who take a real, open, honest look at what it says. It isn't divine, it is appallingly man-made. Man-made as in MALE-made, too, quite obviously.

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[Andy McFarlane]

Sorry for having to take two posts

Let's assume:

1. There is a God

2. He has a loving character

3. He has a moral code that He says will bless His people.

Then:

If someone does not abide by that code, for the sake of Himself and love for His code-abiding people (CAP), punishment is in order.

Ex: If someone murders another: the threat of murder can still exist, so to lovingly protect the living CAPs, the threat should be eliminated in love for them.

[NonStampCollector]

OK then.

Let's assume it isn't necessarily that way, that that system looks kinda suitable for humans, but that an infinitely powerful God might have a better way.

Let's assume that God is allowing humans to experience everything; joy, pain,... because we wanted to, and agreed to forget that we'd agreed to it in order to experience those things fully. Let's assume that God agreed to not interfere with our experience of experiencing things.

There's your idea fucked. It only takes imagination.

[Andy McFarlane]

However, if you have the slightest inclination otherwise, I suggest that you carefully consider the choice, and I will remind you that the God with Biblical morality has said that those who reject Him with his justice, mercy, and grace will be rejected.

[NonStampCollector]

OK. Well, I suggest that you carefully consider that you've been misled, and that by committing your life to this god, you are committing your life to a ridiculous fantasy that makes a fool of you.

[Patrick Rebstock]

Yes Jesus was incarnated as a human,because humans are the top species. But his soul is Angelic. Now,souls and bodies are diffrent from one another. So any being that has been incarnated as a human could be considered atleast some what human. But when they die they go back to there past status as whatever they are. So,Jesus is now back to his prevous status as a angelic. Yes he has a mother in life. Aliens are another matter,they're just another form of life. There. I've explained it to you. :)

[Andy McFarlane]

The Bible never really says God's gender, either. Men and women are equal in the sight of God, and honestly, men have really screwed up this world because of greed, lust, pride, etc. But God is not necessarily man, and He isn't corrupt like so many. The best reason I could come up with is that the Bible was written to a Patristic culture where it was common that even if God was gender neutral, "his" would be common terminology as it is today.

[Andy McFarlane]

Is that what He said? Or did you here that from people claiming to be His people? Maybe even me. The main point God is trying to get across is that sin leads to death- by nature! For so long I was viewing women as objects, lusting after their bodies without a care for their person. And I was being destroyed, I could feel it, and I was hurting them. Their image in my mind had been degraded. God's truth showed me that my sin was leading to death and I needed to be healed for their sake and mine.

[Andy McFarlane]

By "morality" I was meaning a def. of morality, not the actions of a person. If a god created the world and said that he was the lawgiver, then I'd argue he has the final authority on what is good v. what is evil, not the majority of humans. Being created, we are lower than he. Even if we think the god made a world with "defective brakes," even to question a tyrant would be foolish. But I am here to say YHWH is not a tyrant, but a Father who wants us to be saved from our destructive rebellion.

[hydrolito]

That is sex not love, if you feed all your needy neighbors as much as yourself you would likely starve.

[hydrolito]

Jesus if he existed would have been a earth human not an angel from heaven(space alien). It plainly mentions his mother.

[hydrolito]

Also god's not all knowing in Revelation 20 as needs things looked up in books.(a human invention), sits on a throne (another human invention) Guess with old age he got senile and can no longer stand. LOL

[hydrolito]

So if a automanufacturer makes cars with defective brakes do you believe his morality is higher? You wouldn't say that about any other creator so why would you say it about a mythical god?

[hydrolito]

The Bible even calls the believers sheep and fish and you know that they get eaten. Unbelievers called swine and dogs which jews didn't eat so which is better?

[Andy McFarlane]

You saying something is evil is an expression of your morality, not necessarily absolute morality. Who is to define what is moral? I'd say slaying a dragon that is killing innocent civilians is morally good, but perhaps PETA would say something different. Who is to say one morality is greater than another? If a Creator exists, I'd argue that His morality is higher than any of ours.