Experience

Relating two recent paranormal experiences to the general question of experience. Real skepticism vs. debunking. Science & paradigms.

Category:

Science & Technology

Tags:

• parapsychology
• alien
• angel
• demon
• skepticism
• debunking
• experience

[LooksAeterna]

No experience you actually had and report can be a good reason for damage to your reputation.

Also, you cannot lose a reputation you do not have, for instance among pseudoskeptics (what you call "debunkers" - not such a perfect term since genuine debunking is a good thing) and other religious fanatics. By merely admitting your membership in the Catholic Church you have already lost your reputation among them.

[louiswheeler]

Maybe I'm dense, but in my experience, the more that i thought i knew what was being conveyed here ... my senses inform me it is not certain at all

[Zeitschen]

Sorry no solution for you, you'll just have to think about it I'm afraid, sorry, no easy formula for it.

[1LBRTY]

Smiles! That is fun criticism, and a funny observation.

I share your concern about the whole "I am the body" type thing, and I'm still curious if you have a solution for using language accurately with regard to labeling individual parts in a genuine, non-dissociated way.

[Zeitschen]

"Obviously, each of our lives is an emergent property arising from...the solar system" makes it sound like each one of us is paying back a mortgage, that is how property usually "emerges." Sorry but I aint no property, if you are then whose property are you?

[1LBRTY]

What kind of language do you recommend for distinguishing one's body parts?

Obviously, each of our lives is an emergent property arising from all sorts of energetic transformations across the solar system...but how do you recommend using the English language to deal with the individual parts that contribute to the whole?

I am that emergent property...

[Zeitschen]

The way you speak about it is artificial and dissociated from the experience as though you were looking at yourself from a distance. Eg, "my brain" and "my body", who is this owner of a brain and body? It is the same brain and body, ie, you! Or is it that you have a time share ownership, your brain owns the body and, when you refer to "my brain" it is when, the body owns the brain?

[1LBRTY]

Quite the opposite, in my experience. Rather than being disassociated, I'd say the entirety of cause and effect is limited to the confines of my body in the natural world, the only world that is real enough to generate cause and effect phenomena.

Only reality is real!

[Zeitschen]

"Are you saying above that a supernatural force plays a role in our dreams and hallucinations."

No, but I think you are saying that a supernatural force plays a role since, as I said, you disassociate yourself entirely from this "rearrangement" and posit something that sculpts your personality without your participation.

By the way, that "Angel" is called an Incubus.

[1LBRTY]

Passive is not a bad description at all. Like a set of muscles and bones resculpting themselves in response to a new sport, the mind/brain resculpts itself in response to new experiences.

Are you saying above that a supernatural force plays a role in our dreams and hallucinations...to fulfill certain needs that this supernatural caretaker knows your actual life is lacking?

I was convinced at age 12 that an angel provided me with my first wet dream...that kind of thing?