Hitchens: ethics vs. religion.

Q&A part IV of the Hitchens vs. Turek debate at VCU, VA. Full debate:
http://www.vimeo.com/1904911
and (commented)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-3fgjX2mU4

At 4:45 Turek calls Hitler a humanist (!) what a shallow demagogue as well as a very pathetic apologist... even Hitchens (although just for a sec.) is speechless upon so much presumptuousness, but fortunately does not let Turek get away with it.

This was not a slip of tongue (Tureks dishonest "a human, a human" is simply defensive drivel of a rhetorical con artist) this was a deliberate smear -known from fundamentalists around the world- that backfired.
Besides, this guy uses the word "ontological" like Bush or Palin the word "nucular".

If I would have been in the audience I would have probably booed although this usually goes against my nature. I had to laugh watching it anyway though because in this moment I suddenly remembered that "Turak" means "dimwit" in Russian - nomen est omen, as the Romans would say.

Category:

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• Christopher
• Hitchens
• Turek
• god
• VCU
• debate
• atheism
• Humanism
• morality
• theism
• ethics
• fascism
• Christianity
• Dawkins

[pootnikalexander]

It is an insult to Hitchens intelligence to be in the same room as this superstitious knob! I am astounded with Hitchens patience and composure, a true gentleman.

[pootnikalexander]

It is an insult to Hitchens intelligence to be in the same room as this superstitious knob! I am astounded with Hitchens patience and composure, a true gentleman.

[NonisMain]

Boom, headshot.

[Absiintheee]

Hitchen could have shut him up by saying

"Morality comes from humanity. It is what we call certain feelings and behaviours"

Turek: "But doesn't that mean whoever has the most power makes the morality?"

Hitchens: "They could make the rules, but not the morality. The morality evolved to help the individual and the group survive"

Turek: "So morality is just chemicals and molecules?"

Hitchens: "Fundamentally at base level, yes. But it does not take anything away from it"

Should have said that.

[Drpetya1965]

Look at Turek the absolute incarnation of pride, vanity, total ignorance and he's an absolute bully, he's angry, he's false anyone that can't see it does not embody true christian values, Hitchens is the embodiment of christianity because he has been given the knowledge to destroy all the man made parts of the bible and true faith.. the absolute corruption of the faith..

[Drpetya1965]

Faith= still believing even after seeing the knob Turek get flayed by absolutely perfect reasoning, yes I still am a Christian but I love to see pride and vanity and ignorance of Turek get destroyed...

[Scyntist]

@rklight33 You are aware though that there is such a thing as secular humanism and religious humanism, correct?

Also, differentiation between which races are to be considered "human" and "not human" is not humanism—that's more close to antisemitic racism. The racism of the Nazis had the sole aim of ridding Europe of so called 'inferior blood' and had no interest in racial groups outside of Europe (not the human face) which is why the original plan was for deportations of these people.

[rklight33]

Actually Hitler was indeed a humanist. When your whole criteria is based on who is and who is not a human being, then that is perforce humanism. Hitler's biologism was a humanism. He understood himself to be prosecuting his war on behalf of the entire human race. Auschwitz can only be understood on humanistic grounds.

[katherine3486]

Hitchens keeps interrupting and speaking over the other guy and doesn't actually answer the questions.

He is ignorant of Samaritans. Read the Gospel of the Samaritan woman who Jesus speaks to at the well.

[duppymaker]

@Dave83C hahaha so good

[Dave83C]

"You can't justify morality without a being beyond yourself."

I totally agree. I'll see your fictional Jesus and raise you 7,000,000,000 real human beings.