San Diego, California, 17th Feb. 1972. (This was the 2nd dialogue with Eugene Schallert). In 6 parts.
Ending Disorder the Ending of Death
Inwardly we're all in a state of confusion that's the common ground of all humanity.
Is there an answer when there is real perception?
Now I have come upon something which is real, I have watched "what is" and moved from there. It is a living thing.
To live you must die (psychologically), dying every day to all that you have gathered so that the mind is fresh every day. It is new.
I must first understand what it means to live, not what it means to die.
Death is perfect order because it is the ending of disorder and the ending of disorder is to be aware of what is disorder, choicelessly.
Then you can find out in that state - what is the immeasurable.
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