Helm has the potential to be the best. He needs to learn how to finish of shots on the one man break though. other words deke in front of the net rather than just take it in and shoot
anywhere else draper would be a first line player. he can score, forecheck and grind it out. plus he had some speed. he"s a stanly cup champ,a selke winner,and played for team canada.
@relam13 Re-read my post dude. Draper knew how to finish, hell, he scored 50 goals down in the minors. He knew how to score, he knew how to finish. The reason Draper was put on the fourth line was for defense, because they had enough goal scorers on the first-third lines as is. They needed one line for defense, to sustain some pressure, and wear down the other team. Hell, Maltby could've popped 20 goals if he was on the PP.
@tadaskay Draper was on the grind-line for a reason, he wasn't a goal scorer. The only reason he would have inflated goal totals is because he'd be playing with two of Yzerman, Fedorov, and Shanahan. Christ, put McCarty on a line with that kind of star power and he'd probably score 30-40 goals easy.
First and foremost, Draper knew how to finish, if he was put on the first line back in the pre-salary cap era, he could've posted 50 GOALS, not points, but goals. (And please don't retort by saying that yes, it is the first line...just...so much wrong with that statement). Yes, Helm is a good player, who should become a great player, but he needs to learn how to finish, and get his stick handling skills under control. With those two things, and his speed, he's going to be trouble for any team
@mustbeburtreynolds Yup, he's the hardest worker. And for a player as young as 24 to play for the the Red Wings, he's going to be amazing. Same with Kindl and maybe Abdelkader. But, I fully expect Helm to be the Captain when Zetterberg and Lidstrom are gone. Datsyuk won't be C because he just can't speak english haha. Helm will be a70 point player by the time he is 26.
@B00MH0 Haha that's funny you say that. After I watched him take off like a rocket and put away that breakaway goal in Game 7 against Anaheim back in '09 (/watch?v=scVutse_U2c&feature=related), the first thing I thought was "Wow this kid is special, watch him become captain after Lidstrom, Datsyuk, Zetterberg, and Kronwall are gone."
@BGibby I might have exaggerated saying he'll eventually become second line center, but if the Wings don't do something after Datsyuk and Zetterberg are gone and focus more on their defensive game in the next decade, it could easily happen.
And for the record, Helm is right on par with Draper in playoff scoring, 1-4 goals per PO season.
@BGibby Not to mention that Draper's 24 goal season was an absolute outlier. His next five highest-scoring seasons brought in 15, 14, 14, 13, and 10 goals, respectively.
Helm has 11 goals and 10 goals in his first two seasons, a quicker start than Draper saw at the beginning of his career.
p.s. I brought up Draper and compared Helm to him because Helm *is* the new Draper. Strong third/fourth line center with a deadly penalty-killing ability. That's their niche.
Helm has the potential to be the best. He needs to learn how to finish of shots on the one man break though. other words deke in front of the net rather than just take it in and shoot
lpncubs3 1 month ago
anywhere else draper would be a first line player. he can score, forecheck and grind it out. plus he had some speed. he"s a stanly cup champ,a selke winner,and played for team canada.
TheEighty84 3 months ago
@relam13 Re-read my post dude. Draper knew how to finish, hell, he scored 50 goals down in the minors. He knew how to score, he knew how to finish. The reason Draper was put on the fourth line was for defense, because they had enough goal scorers on the first-third lines as is. They needed one line for defense, to sustain some pressure, and wear down the other team. Hell, Maltby could've popped 20 goals if he was on the PP.
tadaskay 5 months ago
@tadaskay Draper was on the grind-line for a reason, he wasn't a goal scorer. The only reason he would have inflated goal totals is because he'd be playing with two of Yzerman, Fedorov, and Shanahan. Christ, put McCarty on a line with that kind of star power and he'd probably score 30-40 goals easy.
relam13 5 months ago
First and foremost, Draper knew how to finish, if he was put on the first line back in the pre-salary cap era, he could've posted 50 GOALS, not points, but goals. (And please don't retort by saying that yes, it is the first line...just...so much wrong with that statement). Yes, Helm is a good player, who should become a great player, but he needs to learn how to finish, and get his stick handling skills under control. With those two things, and his speed, he's going to be trouble for any team
tadaskay 6 months ago
@mustbeburtreynolds Yup, he's the hardest worker. And for a player as young as 24 to play for the the Red Wings, he's going to be amazing. Same with Kindl and maybe Abdelkader. But, I fully expect Helm to be the Captain when Zetterberg and Lidstrom are gone. Datsyuk won't be C because he just can't speak english haha. Helm will be a70 point player by the time he is 26.
B00MH0 6 months ago
@B00MH0 Haha that's funny you say that. After I watched him take off like a rocket and put away that breakaway goal in Game 7 against Anaheim back in '09 (/watch?v=scVutse_U2c&feature=related), the first thing I thought was "Wow this kid is special, watch him become captain after Lidstrom, Datsyuk, Zetterberg, and Kronwall are gone."
mustbeburtreynolds 6 months ago
@mustbeburtreynolds He'll be a first line player, I'm sure of it. He'll also be the captain, mark my words.
B00MH0 6 months ago
@BGibby I might have exaggerated saying he'll eventually become second line center, but if the Wings don't do something after Datsyuk and Zetterberg are gone and focus more on their defensive game in the next decade, it could easily happen.
And for the record, Helm is right on par with Draper in playoff scoring, 1-4 goals per PO season.
mustbeburtreynolds 6 months ago
@BGibby Not to mention that Draper's 24 goal season was an absolute outlier. His next five highest-scoring seasons brought in 15, 14, 14, 13, and 10 goals, respectively.
Helm has 11 goals and 10 goals in his first two seasons, a quicker start than Draper saw at the beginning of his career.
p.s. I brought up Draper and compared Helm to him because Helm *is* the new Draper. Strong third/fourth line center with a deadly penalty-killing ability. That's their niche.
mustbeburtreynolds 6 months ago