Stephen Fry: The Catholic church is not a force for good
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Uploaded by firesnakepodcast on Jul 31, 2011
Stephen Fry's offering for the negative side in the October 19, 2009 London based IQ Squared debate.
The motion was: "The Catholic Church is a force for good in the world".
Final Vote: 268 For, 1876 Against, Undecided 34
- 74 likes, 6 dislikes
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The enlightenment depended completely on the invention of the printing press. but what does a world look like where noone reads ?
tincoffin 6 days ago
We see the remains of a South American world which we don't understand and cannot grasp. And we are the poorer for it but if the Catholic World view is lost then we will be the poorer.
Stephens's view is a-historical.He is blind to the effects of time and place.
tincoffin 6 days ago
Stephen appears to lament the loss of the world which the Catholic Church replaced. He mentions the South American civilisations but these worlds were horrible almost beyond belief. Daily child sacrifice , brutal ball "games" played with life at stake.A gruesome stone age relic.No wonder the Spanish Conquistadores with all their faults thought they were bringing something better.What he is really lamenting is the loss of something which is gone forever and now the Catholic church...
tincoffin 6 days ago
Brilliant speech Steven!
TheSchnorkey 1 month ago
The church sits upon seven hills and bathes in the blood of martyrs, whore of babylon
YoungBroseph 1 month ago
fatality, best speech I have heard, ever!
soth3d 1 month ago
could we get the whole speech?
Kevderoo 1 month ago
@epanopio But please, continue.
jacobhghs43 2 months ago
@epanopio Are you really trying to argue that the Catholic Church can't be the Church that Christ established, because the name isn't "The Church of Christ"? That is probably the worst argument I have ever heard used against the Church. Congratulations. I've been defending the Church publicly for quite some time now, and you have won the distinction of using the worst argument I have ever heard. Plus, this is the internet, so that's saying something.
jacobhghs43 2 months ago
@jacobhghs43
Ephesians 5:27 "and to present her to himself as a radiant church, without stain or wrinkle or any other blemish, but holy and blameless."
But which church?
Romans 16:16 "Greet one another with a holy kiss. The churches of Christ greet you."
The Church of Christ. Not Catholic Church; that church does not exist in the Bible. Would you like more?
epanopio 2 months ago