God's Law Was Meant for Death, Not Life; Increased Sin, Not Righteousness

The New Testament reveals many things about God's law, and how, while it is good and just and holy, it is against us and contrary to us, and how we had to die to it in order to be joined to Christ.

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[msskippy7781]

Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works. This is James 2;18. We keep the law as evidence of our faith.Faith without works is dead. It is not works of the law that save us but for us to say we have faith and not keep the law we are kidding ourselves. one without the other is useless.

[graceroots]

@msskippy7781 The 'works' that James was talking about couldn't possibly be works of the law. Paul said "the law is *not* of faith" (Gal 3:12). James wasn't talking about the law. He was talking about what a person believes showing in what he does. Hebrews 11 is full of all kinds of examples of actions that show a person's faith - and none of the examples are based upon the law. They believed God, and their actions followed what they believed. Again, having nothing to do with law.

[paulgem123]

@msskippy7781 Galatians 3:10 for as many are under the "works of the law(Oral Law-could be church anti-law)" are under a curse: (notice the change) For IT IS WRITTEN, cursed is every one that continueth not in all things WHICH ARE WRITTEN in the BOOK of the LAW and DO THEM.

[graceroots]

@paulgem123 The law that Paul was talking about has context all over the entire epistle. He is talking about the law of Moses, or what is known today as "the Ten Commandments." And indeed, cursed is everyone who does not continue in all things written in the book of the law (which had been transcribed by scribes), but "Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the law" (the law of Moses). It would be silly to say that Christ has redeemed us from "oral law" or "church anti-law."

[paulgem123]

@graceroots Not so silly. Because the curse of the law is not obeying it hence obeying it is not a curse this is absurdity. The problem with your understanding is you think the NT defines the terms in the OT. It is opposite ALL NT writing derive there meaning from the Tanakh (OT) Your understanding is derived by Marcionite thinking and stems from anti-Semitism. Deut 28 & Lev 26 shows the blessings and the curses. Moses said I put before you life and death, chose life!

[graceroots]

@paulgem123 I haven't minded talking things out rationally with you, and even putting up with your condescending attitude, but I take the charge of anti-Semitism very seriously and will not put up with it. If you so much as hint at it again, I will block you. In fact, it appears as if we're at an impasse (and have been since the very beginning). Our comments are there for anyone to see in the future and make up their own minds, but I don't foresee us agreeing at all. Farewell.

[jetblitz]

@msskippy7781 Christ brought a Higher Law when he walked the earth, 2 show how far we fall short and need 2 trust in His Finished Work only. Christ said If I ever had lust in my heart toward a woman I have committed adultery. If I have ever hated anyone I have commited murder. If my right hand causes me 2 sin then I need to cutt it off! I know that I should be missing some body parts. Should you? if so, then by ur understanding, unless u have never done these things, got work 2 do.

[NWOIS666]

Seek TRUTH not religion; religion will deceive you every time you submit to it.

[paulgem123]

@msskippy7781 James' letter was rejected by some anti-law churchmen. James was the head of the Jerusalem and the followers of Yeshua listened to him. We have to realize the Paul's letters on the other hand speak of two laws and this is where most Christians miss the contrary dynamic of this.

[graceroots]

@msskippy7781 And Jesus said to the Jews in the Sermon on the Mount that their righteousness must *exceed* that of the scribes and Pharisees. Of course, as is revealed in the NT epistles, the law could not really produce righteousness. The only righteousness that means anything to God is His very own righteousness - which was given freely as a *gift* to all who believe. We don't walk according to Moses' seat. We walk according to God's righteousness - not by law, but by the gift.