Christopher Hitchens on Conor Cruise O'Brien
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O'Brien was the biggest arsehole Ireland ever produced, and that's a tough set of laurals to claim. A foolish consistency may be the hobgoblin of little minds, but I can't think of a single major issue he didn't do a 180 on at some time or other, except for those he did a 360 on. With him, it was all about justifying each turnabout just so he could show how achingly clever he was. An utter waste of education.
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Conor Cruise O Brien was like a lighthouse in a bog. Brilliant, but utterly useless!
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so many negative comments about the wonderful writer conor cruise o'brien. hands up who has read one of his books? didnt think so
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O'Brien also knew that when you put an issue on the table, the Irish were to last to rise any worthwhile analysis. The Irish don't do 'debates'; indeed, the don't do 'action', merely emotional reaction. That's why, I believe, he supported the Unionist and 'more' secular cause, , rather than wallow in imperialist guff about secular Britian coming from those most comitose to the threat of the Mediteranean Myth. CCO'B was not a Betagh; I think he came to dislike them...
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Even defending the memory of a distinguished Irishman can still bring out the yelping dogs. The 'children of God' know how to be personal and vindictive like no one else -- and all from behind either a pulpit or a mask. The Irish character, as O' Brien well knew, was steeped in the worst aspects of the Christian conquest, an island that is still more monastic than liberal. And now that the Vatican has issued the Jesuits with computers, nothing escapes their vicious, poisonous pens.
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@sbreathnach100 Rather rich coming from one who's name appears nowhere on their rather uninteresting and un-viewed channel. Methinks that you consider yourself somewhat of an intellectual, however from the rather scattered and incoherent ramblings you have posted here, I would beg to differ. However, if reacting to posts that are a year old with gibberish is your thing, then who am I to stand in your way. Be my guest.
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I don't think that O'Brien was a very deep thinker: rather an informed journalist, who could talk authoritatively (and critically) on Edmund Burke or D. Hammersjold; but in Ireland, as in America, where the wise ones are as boring as Biblical cardboard and as predictable as prieshteens on a pulpit, anything he said made ahateful stir. He therefore belongs in the tradition of Adam 'Dubh' O' Toole (burned heretic), Alice Kyteler, Joyce, Toland, D Allen,Morgan (Dermot), Tommy Kiernan, etc, etc.
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In Peter Lennon's film, 'The Rockie Road to Dublin' , or some such name, he courageously admists that the Irish on one Internaitonal occasion voted one way and the UN. It wasn't to the liking of the US. Then someone politely visited them -- some cardinal or other -- and they reversed in favour of what the US was voting for... Who else but the Cruiser in Irelaand would reveal such appalling biddability!
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CCo'Brien could not see what Joyce saw. I think he saw something and for a while reared up against what he saw. For the family and perhaps the Gaelic side of things,he made some compromises; but in his heart he knew with Casement that the history of the Vatican in the Congo was as bad as it had been over a longer period in Irlland and generally around the world. He also knew that Ireland was a monstrous Holy Roman monolith made up of incurable religious Leprechauns-- all pretending to be secular
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@RonanG So, let me put it another way; take off your anonymous mask and give some weight to whatever it is you imagine you have to say about the Cruiser. Otherwise, enjoy the bog; but please don't invite the rest of us to sup with you...
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@Borgia Or, more importantly, how imperialistic are those who could write Unam Sanctam? Surely this piece of Papal nonsense is the fons et origo of totalitanianism? Most Catholics have never read it, which, of course, allows them to yawn on and on about imperialism. The Monolithic Irish Catholic mind was anathema to O'Brien.. He saw that the secular side of Unionism was, thereofore, the only game on craggy island. And he was right. What Irish men since Joyce have challenged the RCC?
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@sbreathnach100 Let me put it another way. The Cruiser was about as useful to society as a cat-flap on a submarine.
I like Hitchens work but hes wrong about O Brien,he plaigarised many other writers.
RebelAvenger6 1 year ago 7
@RebelAvenger6 Really? Who did he plagiarise?
padraic2001eire 1 year ago
'The Irish Mind' in the collection of essays Passion and Cunning is my personal favourite.
Guedingen 2 years ago
I actually picked up Passion and Cunning from my library today and read "The Irish Mind", after your recommendation. Agreed, and excellent essay. I don't always agree with O'Brien, but I have to say he is always interesting to read.
padraic2001eire 2 years ago
Conor Cruise-O'Brien's writings were nothing more than gutter journalism you'd expect from The Daily Mail or the Daily Express , he was a prat and an apologist just like Hitchens .
mackers1916 2 years ago 5
On another video of mine you said you admired Hitchens, now he's "a prat and an apologist"? And because you don't agree with someone, that therefore reduces their writing ability to the level of "gutter journalism" - sure, that's fair.
padraic2001eire 2 years ago