Newt Gingrich: Constitution doesn't apply in GWOT

If Newt says the Constitution doesn't apply to the President in his role as Commander-in-Chief ..... then how can the President be definitively considered Commander-in-Chief AT ALL, when that role is outlined in the very same Constitution?

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[macpipkin]

@xx8visionSxx The war in Vietnam ended when funding was pulled by congress. Also, there were 12 military actions, some big some small, the US undertook after ratification of the constitution and before our first declared war (The war of 1812).

This area is more murky than many people want to believe. These rigid rules for how to declare war do not exist. We could fight for them to be implemented via article 5, but that is what it would take.

Thank you for your post & best to you.

[macpipkin]

@xx8visionSxx There was the resolution listed above and a single use of force resolution passed to go into Afghanistan and the war was funded.

You are correct that people can debate the wisdom of going into Iraq, but there were two use of force resolutions passed by congress and funding throughout the war.

My point is the constitution does not say how congress has to declare war. It says they have the power to do so and then they have the power to fund it or not.

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[xx8visionSxx]

@macpipkin Yes, I believe this was for the authorization to go after the terrorists who committed 9/11, mainly Osama Bin Laden. This is the main reason we went into Afghanistan however Iraq had nothing to do with this bill because they had nothing to do with any attacks. So many of our wars were not declared and this bill is no proof that they declared those other than Afghanistan.

[macpipkin]

@SovereignStatesman "Clause 11: To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;"

Sorry kiddo, I don't see the instructions on exactly how Congress is supposed to declare war. So, this resolution (which is exactly what a DoW is) and funding equals legal war. Somewhere between all of those childish punk expletives, why don't you back up what you say with some sort of documentation. Where are all of these DoW rules you believe exist?

[macpipkin]

@SovereignStatesman No, really, I'm saying they DID DECLARE WAR. :-)

Good grief...

Look - up - 107th CONGRESS 1st Session S. J. RES. 23. It - is - a - declaration - of - war.

There, I slowed it down for you. Let's see where this goes...

[harj2009]

wow , so lincoln suspending the constition was ok according to newt ? holy shit newt will do the same thing once he starts a war against iran

[SovereignStatesman]

@macpipkin

No stupid, you're saying Congress doesn't have to declare war, that it can just do whatever whenever, that it can do no wrong simply by engaging in ACTS of war without declaring it.

But it doesn't matter; since the fed is the the judge of its own powers anyway-- and useful idiots like you will defend it no matter what.

[macpipkin]

@SovereignStatesman Are you saying 107th CONGRESS 1st Session S. J. RES. 23 didn't pass both houses? It did. Plain and simple fact.

People who still go around saying the US has not declared war since WW2 are buying into a meme, or they have raised the bar to artificial levels the constitution does not require. The congress has the power to declare war and they did. There are no restrictions or requirements above that. Congress declared war on terror. Like it or not, nothing more is required.

[macpipkin]

@SovereignStatesman Stupid moron? Someone needs his dipee changed...

So, you're saying I went back in time and pulled 107th CONGRESS 1st Session S. J. RES. 23 out of my ass, or are you just so dense you don't know a declaration of war when you see one?

Once again, the limitations you paulbots and neoconfederates keep placing on declarations of war do not exits. "To declare war, grant letters of marque and reprisal, and make rules concerning captures on land and water"

Where are these limits?

[SovereignStatesman]

@macpipkin

You're a stupid moron. Declaring war implicitly requires a declaration of war, and war can only be declared on foreign nations not tactics.

You're pulling shit out of your ass is just an ego-trip because you have no clue what you're talking about.