Refuting the Fallacies of "orthodoxy" 6: The Petrine See, Rome and Antioch

My response to Kabane on Cyprian,
Part 1) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-ZGzMmMcNA
Part 2) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-EXiQ_oHyRs&feature=related
Part 3) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YV2KjxKrARY&feature=related


This video falsifies the fallacious argument against the Catholic Faith that because Peter founded Antioch as well as Rome that this is .. a problem of some kind.

Its not.

And this argument depends on an unspeakable amount of revisionist history and ignorance to the Catholic Church's teaching on the Papacy.

Bibliography:
New Advent.com (Ephesus, Chalcedon).
Kirsch, Johann Peter. "St. Peter, Prince of the Apostles." The Catholic Encyclopedia.
Bonocore, M. Peter and Antioch.

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[MysticalCity]

@Kekaumenos1078 "She" was not purified, She was conceived Immaculately to bring forth God in The Flesh.

think outside the box

[Kekaumenos1078]

@MysticalCity

I never said she was not perfect, you are boring. Purification could have made her perfect anyway.

[MysticalCity]

@Kekaumenos1078 you just said earlier that St.Thomas and St.Bernard said that The Blessed Virgin Mary had original sin, which according to you meant She was not perfect.

[Kekaumenos1078]

@MysticalCity

You'are attacking strawman, since i said that the Church decides, and never said a saint was infallible.

[MysticalCity]

@Kekaumenos1078 1.The Immaculate Conception is a DOGMA.

2. ONLY The Catholic Church decides.

3.Name me one saint who was infallible.

[Kekaumenos1078]

@MysticalCity

Well it is an argument from Silence. As far as your argument is concerned, Blessed Virgin Mary could be perfect and immaculate without being immaculately concieved, just by purification as Aquinas said. But we agree in the end that the Churc decides.

[MysticalCity]

@Kekaumenos1078 I'm pretty sure they would have mentioned it, If The Blessed Virgin Mary was not Immaculate then Jesus was not perfect. A bad tree cannot bring forth good fruit.

"A virgin, innocent, spotless, free of all defect, untouched, unsullied, holy in soul and body, like a lily sprouting among thorns." Theodotus of Ancrya (A.D. 446).

"She is born like the cherubim, she who is of a pure, immaculate clay." Theotokos of Livias. (A.D. 650)

[Kekaumenos1078]

@MysticalCity

THose quotes dont adress the conception of the Theotokos, only say that she was sinless. This is different, as explained St Bede: "for all other men, being born in original sin, are known to bear the mark of Adam's transgression, even whilst they are without actual sin" The Venerable Bede; Historia ecclesiastica gentis Anglorum Book 2, Chapter 19 So all you can say is that the IC teaching is implicit in those quotes.

[MysticalCity]

@Kekaumenos1078 I don't "mix" your the one quoting Catholic saints and cherry picking from their writings and disregarding the rest.

"Thou alone and thy Mother are in all things fair, there is no flaw in thee and no stain in thy Mother." St.Ephraim The Syrian (A.D. 370)

"Mary, a Virgin not only undefiled but a Virgin whom grace has made inviolate, free of every stain of sin." St.Ambrose (A.D. 388)

[Kekaumenos1078]

@MysticalCity

St Ambrose did not talk about it, he said the immaculate conception of Jesus was a novelty. For the others they are much more later saints. But i agree they are subject to the Church, just dont mix the topics of the papacy and of the immaculate conception here.