Some comments on the Papacy

This is a video response to the rather heated conversation that's been going on in the comments section of my video "One True Church?" I welcome your comments on this video and on the nature of the Papacy in general here, but I ask that they remain friendly and cordial this time. If it devolves into the sarcasm and anger of the previous discussion, I will shut off the comments here. Thank you.

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[boki2388]

which orthodox church are you apart of like the Serbian, Greek, Russian or..?

[7The7Truth7]

Good videos. But on this topic: I'm Melkite catholic and we don't have the filioque. But The reason it was added was to combat heresy. Either way we are not ex'd by the catholic church. God bless

[trueorthodoxfaith]

@Tyler1990W All catechumens face the same rites when entering into the Orthodox Church. Eastern Rite Churches are not in communion with the Eastern Orthodox and I see no reason to attend their services.

Peter did not establish a governing body. The first church established in Jerusalem was set up as a synod. This same type of church governance is what exists in Orthodoxy. Each Orthodox might have their own "national" Saint, but they are recognized by all other Orthodox.

[Tyler1990W]

@Tyler1990W But there are differences among the Churches, simply because of cultural differences. Every branch of Orthodoxy has its own saints. Where is the overall governing body that was esablished in St.Peter?

[Tyler1990W]

@trueorthodoxfaith Thanks for the correction with the Georgian Orthodoxy, my mistake. But agian, why would different Orthodox churches have different practices in terms of converts if they are all the same? Also, you previously stated that you have been to other Orthodox churches and it is all the same, well you could attend a Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church (the Unitate) Church and would also notice it to be the same, since they use the same Lit.

[trueorthodoxfaith]

@Tyler1990W The majority of Orthodox require a second baptism, and all require catechumen classes.If a prior baptism is valid. according to Orthodox Traditions, then that convert enters the Church performing certain rites during a service. I do not know where you get your info, but the Georgian Orthodox do not have a different view or theology on the Holy Trinity.

[Tyler1990W]

@trueorthodoxfaith Okay, true. But lets say someone were to convert to Orthodoxy. different Orthodox Churches, wether it be Romanian or Russian, has thier own practices on conversions. SOme even require another baptisim. If that is the case, how can you say that all branches are the same. As a matter of fact, even Georgian Orthodoxy has a different view on the Trinity than Standard Orthodoxy

[trueorthodoxfaith]

@Tyler1990W The is no "form of Orthodoxy". The Orthodox Church is the same whether in the USA, Russia, Greece, Serbia or anywhere else. I have been to Orthodox Churches in Greece, Russia, Ukraine and in Western Europe. It is all the same.

[trueorthodoxfaith]

@Tyler1990W Each "person" in the Holy Trinity has their own characteristics or hypostasis. The only allowed catechetical explanation allowed is the formula "through the Son". The original Creed was affirmed as unchangeable by the decisions of the Seven Ecumenical Councils. The teaching of the filioque introduces into the divinity two principles, a dyarchy, which destroys the unity of the divinity, the monarchy of the Father, the source.

[Tyler1990W]

@trueorthodoxfaith Very good arguments. However, John 16.15 Christ says "All things whatsoever the Father hath, are mine. Therefore I said, that he shall receive of mine, and shew it to you" If Christ has the same abilities as the Father, the same things, then we can assume that he ALSO can have the Holy Spirit procede from Him. But I would also like to ask you, which form of Orthodoxy is the right one?