Calvinism Vs Arminianism - PART FIVE

The Rev. Angus Stewart (Calvinist) Debates with Rev. Timothy Ramsay (Arminian)

Calvinism Vs Arminianism Debate Recorded Thursday 2nd October 2008 (World In Focus) Sky TV

Covenant Protestant Church Ballymena Northern Ireland Co.Antrim
http://www.cprf.co.uk

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[Taltz911]

@StAugustine79 Granted. Classical Arminianism is not represented here. But the pop Arminianism which is represented does make such self-contradictory statements. But if you think that election to salvation is conditional upon your works (Pelagianism) or your acceptance of the gospel (Arminianism), if you think that salvation is of him who runs (Pelagianism) or of him who wills (Arminianism), then you are relying on your own co-operation with God for your salvation and have fallen from grace.

[StAugustine79]

@Taltz911 That is not true in classical arminianism as held by many christian confessions. Those who agree with arminius believe in God's prevenient grace as the sole source of salvation. Any integrity of the heart is empowered by God's grace. Where we differ is between conditional election and unconditional election.

[Taltz911]

"The integrity of the heart is what God looks at"

I'm going to heaven because of the integrity of my heart (says the Arminian).

The good news of Jesus is salvation by grace (alone): boasting is excluded. A man cannot be saved by the "integrity of the heart" of him; Christ's integrity, Christ's righteousness, Christ's death on the cross is what saves. The man who thinks he is saved because God looks at the "integrity" of his heart does not believe in the gospel.

[DerZanDa]

"Those who were ordained to eternal life believed" That's an odd way for God to say that those who he foresaw in the past that they believed and were therefore ordained.

[jwednall]

@chapmaned Amen. We are created in Christ Jesus unto good works. I totally agree.

[chapmaned]

@jwednall Ephesians 2:10

For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

[chapmaned]

@jwednall I know what the text states. But a book report is not summarized by one quote, now is it? I thought you people were into exegesis? Don't you take ALL of what is written into context before you make a report? Come on, now. Read "The Rest of the Story", as Paul Harvey would say.

[chapmaned]

@jwednall In addition, for those who have no knowledge of good and evil, they still have a conscience that makes them "feel" guilt. These are judged by their conscience, and NOT any Law of Moses. You can read this in Romans Chapter 2:12-16. This applies also to those who never heard of God, or Jesus. One Calvinist I spoke to tells me that these people are burning in hell, i.e. Amazon people with bones in their noses that carry spears that never heard, he indicated to me that they're ALL in hell.

[jwednall]

@chapmaned That's not what the text says. It says as many a were ordained unto eternal life believed. This mentions nothing of anyone's works. I agree that obedience is ordained for us to walk in. However this good works cannot believe. People do.

[chapmaned]

@jwednall Good works is what God ORDAINED for a Christian to do. Christians are ORDAINED to do good works. God ordained the CONDUCT of a Christian, for his good pleasure, as it is outlined by the Apostles as to what LOVE LOOKS LIKE.