Ben Hogan (& others) : Early Elbow Plane
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Nice. Who is the golfer who comes on after Moe Norman, at 1:11? He does a terrific job of shallowing the clubshaft in the tranistion, and getting the arms in front of his body. I bet he never had any problems getting 'stuck'.
I love watching these classic swings - these guys really had it figured out, long before David Leadbetter or Butch Harmon came along...
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@ElPinto1982 Thanks for a very good comment. How true that the best swings were in the 40-ies, 50-ies and early 60-ies. Too bad today's instruction does not pay more attention to them. The golfer at 1:11 is Byron Nelson.
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It's as if my right elbow works down, instead of working in front of me and then allowing me to turn through the ball.
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@MrMcandy86 Whle I wholeheartedly agree to the 1st I cannot agree to your 2nd sentence, sorry.
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Ben hogen better player. Mike Austin better swing.
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@ElPinto1982 - "Who is the golfer who comes on after Moe Norman". It's Byron Nelson.
I have a question. I've been working very hard to pin my elbow to my right hip and then just turn, but my actual shaft plane is very weird. I have no idea how I'm managing to do it, but the butt of my club points to the inside of the ball when I'm at 9:00. My transition seems to be very steep, yet I can manage to get my elbow plane the same as Hogan's. I just never seem to shallow the plane. No matter what I've tried I can't get the plane to shallow during the downswing.
noIdontwanttochoose 1 month ago
@noIdontwanttochoose Let me understand your question - your shaft plane does not shallow after transition and remains steep, however you are able to achieve the early elbow plane ?
h1e2x3 1 month ago
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Exactly. At the top of my backswing the shaft is still on plane and everything is looking dandy. Then during transition, it's as if my arms are dragged directly down by my pivot and my plane actually steepens somewhat. My right forearm is at a 90 degree angle to my body, but my shaft is steeper than that. I cannot, for the life of me, figure out why this is happening.
noIdontwanttochoose 1 month ago
@noIdontwanttochoose I wouldn't worry a lot about it; ultimately, what matters is achieving the elbow plane early enough to let the pivot do further job. The reason might be e.g. getting rid of the lead forearm pronation too soon or too weak LH grip or even too weak a pivot. If you want me to look at PM me with a link to your DTL swing.
h1e2x3 1 month ago
If you dig deep enough you'll actually find that Ben hogan turned to mike Austin to try an cure his hook. For swing,distance an accuracy there is no1 in the world who had a smoother more effortless swing then mike Austin. 64 yrs old an he piles a drive 515yards!! He was hitting over 400yards on a regular bases. His swing speed was measured at 155mph which is absolutely phenomenal, just a shame his short game an putting wasnt up to much. Lol. Like I said earlier Ben hogan better player but mike
MrMcandy86 6 months ago
@MrMcandy86 Ben Hogan developed the best swing for automatism repeatability and accuracy - Austin is far from this league; there is no better swing in this field than Hogan's and I doubt will be soon. However, if my researches go into best biokinetic pattern for long driving I am sure Austin's motion will be taken into consideration as one of best. For now though, I concentrate on automatism.
h1e2x3 6 months ago 4