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Seriously. Worldview Everlasting takes on John 1:1 and following, delving into the depths of how to answer all your Arian friends when they tell you that Jesus isn't God.

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Education

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• Jesus
• God
• John 1
• John 1:1
• Jehovah's Witness
• Mormon
• Arian
• Arianism
• Mitt Romney

[mrsmomcat]

If false teaching can be recognized by its tendency to create division, what does that say about Martin Luther?

[Revfiskj]

@mrsmomcat Just because an apple is red does not mean all red things are apples. False teaching creates division precisely *with* true teaching, in an attempt to discredit true teaching and destroy faith in it. To know what to say about Luther, once must compare what he taught to what the Scriptures say. Only then can one tell whether it was he or papal Rome that rifted the Church by insisting on error as if it were God's own Truth.

[antsterr3]

You said that the 3 things that do not make us to be the children of god are sin, our flesh and our will. The ESV translates the 3 things as blood, will of the flesh, will of man. NIV translates them as natural decent, human decision and a husbands will. What exactly is going on there?

[Revfiskj]

@antsterr3 I messed up. Blood and sin are very close in spelling in Greek. I just goofed.

[antsterr3]

@Revfiskj So blood should rightly be understood as "human decent"? We are not saved by descending from Abraham. Will of the flesh is our own human will, which is bound and not free and can not make us children of God no matter how many times we respond to alter calls. Will of man could be understood as our parents' (father's) will? That baptism saves us is not on account of our parents authority or choice to bring us to baptism but rather because the will, work and promise of God.

[Revfiskj]

@antsterr3 Sounds pretty good. :) Although I might link "will of the flesh" to works "and "will of man" to our actual will/desire/mind. One could also take "blood" to refer to the blood of bulls and goats. All of this is, of course, circumvented by the "blood" and "flesh" and "will" of Jesus who is, in fact, a man, and does, in fact, save. :) John is talking about our end of things at this point. Good stuff.

[agrams13]

Pelagius is making a comeback too. The Atlanta Episcopal Diocese entertained a resolution to rehabilitate him, and recognize him for his contributions to the faith. The resolution did not past this time around. Unfortunately, folks do not give up their false beliefs easily. I am sure we will hear about this again.

[RomGabe]

I would suggest an easier way to refute JWs (Jehovah's Witnesses) is to ask them to look up John 1:1 in their INTERLINEAR (where Greek and English are side by side) ... and see what THAT translation says ... GOD (not "a God"). Bingo!!!

[agrams13]

Pelagius is making a comeback too. The Episcopal diocese in Atlanta entertained a resolution to rehabilitate him and recognize his contributions to the faith. It was voted down this time around.

[sewing1243]

Preacher,

How do the Jehovah's Witnesses (and Mormons) get around Jesus' statement in John 8:58? εἶπεν αὐτοῖς Ἰησοῦς· ἀμὴν ἀμὴν λέγω ὑμῖν, πρὶν Ἀβραὰμ γενέσθαι ἐγὼ εἰμί.

John 8:58 (KJV) Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

[PawnBACM]

Awesome job. You should think about atheism; you have the skills.

[buffalutheran]

This almost makes me excited to take Greek in two years...