Redrawing the Australian map for 2050

Brian Haratsis, managing director and chief economist at MacroPlan Australia, and Joe Langley, senior executive for urban planning at Sinclair Knight Mertz, detail their 21st century Australian map at Cities Summit 2011.

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[TimeForParadigmShift]

BRIAN HARATSIS SHOULD BE PUT IN PRISON FOR CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY. By advoctating more people, he is advocating the destruction of Australian society, envrironment and the health of our people.

[Dec4955]

@TimeForParadigmShift Ah, well it appears as though it was an idiotic idea to argue against an idiot.

I have nothing further to say to someone who would consider either of those "solutions" helpful.

You should be shot.

If not shot, at least made a horrific example of.

It saddens me to know people like you exist.

The annoying thing is that it will take you longer to grasp the sheer magnitude of your stupidity than it will take this whole situation to pan out.

At least people will ignore you

[TimeForParadigmShift]

@Dec4955 My point exactly. I'm from the field of thought that believes we have two options...to depopulate humanely, via low birth and death rates...or we go to war, and carry out mass genocide against various peoples. There is no third option. A bigger population will equal one of these two options.

And please, this 'ageing' argument! What do you think happens when the next generation gets old. Thats right, under your system, we just recruit more people!

[Dec4955]

@TimeForParadigmShift If you think there are too many humans, Top yourself.

But more on point; Its not a matter of "think" concerning the future of our well being,

its a matter of mathematical fact.

We neither have nor will have the money to continue to live as we do without growth.

The "have your cake and eat it too" approach you seem to have quite simply ignores the law of gravity, and most of the fundamental rules of reality.

The increasing cost of health and ageing makes it impossible.

[TimeForParadigmShift]

@Dec4955 So you think we cant be fed, watered and educated, with a good lifestyle without growth? Well, I suspect you just want a bigger SUV or plasma tv than your asshole neighbour, and this is something you just dont want to give up to let the planet have a little breathing space.

Oh, and dont even try and tell me because the Government says something, I should take it as FACT.

NO WHERE IN THE WORLD HAS TOO FEW HUMANS.

[Dec4955]

@TimeForParadigmShift I suspect people can be happy without money. So yes we can indeed be happy without growth. But if by happy you mean educated, fed, watered, good infrastructure and comfortable lifestyles, then without economic growth we will see these things leaving us by 2030. Read the Intergenerational report 2010, some of the graphs there are pretty foreboding, but they are government approved fact.

I can assure you that not only do I profit from growth, so do All Australians. Even you.

[TimeForParadigmShift]

So are you saying we can't be happy unless we grow the population?

Please answer me this.

If this is the case, then the system is corrupt at its very core.

Or are you someone who is making money from this PONZI scheme called 'economic growth'. I'd suspect this is the case.

[Dec4955]

@TimeForParadigmShift In response to your quip about 600 yrs of growth. I can name about 200 countries. Fact is growth is cyclical, you cant just say its all bad because it crashed once, if that were true we would still be living in the dark ages. For 600 yrs the trend has been to growth.

Finite resources? You've been reading malthus, havent you?

By the sounds of it Ive seen a lot more of the world than you, because you cant see any further than what you read on wikipedia. Do some research kid

[Dec4955]

@TimeForParadigmShift So hey I did a bit of research on Mr. Haratsis. Apparently he was schooled in London by a Nobel Prize winner. Masters in economics from the London School of Economics. almost thirty years of experience in the property and economic consultancy industry. Yep, hes educated. wbu? u haz degree?

Macroplan was started about 23 years ago, and has survived three busts. Mr. Haratsis is more than qualified as a "chief economist", in fact he appears to be over-qualified

Got more attax?

[Dec4955]

@TimeForParadigmShift Oh wow you're still here. You musn't be very busy. Your mass extinction theory is not only ridiculous, it is also entirely speculation. Almost akin to saying that the world will end because the mayan calendar says it will.

This is an economic debate, and you are clearly not an economist, or any form of expert. My guess is that you are an English teacher, or under some illusion that you are an authority on this subject - worth noting so to speak.

You aren't, your wrong. dwi