This is just a small segment of Dr. Michael's Brown 10 DVD series answering Rabbis who call themselves "Anti-Missionaries". He does a great job siting both Torah and Talmud to refute common objections raised by "Jews for Judaism" and Tovia Singer. Purchase the whole series for much more indepth and powerful explanations. His website is www.askdrbrown.org
@answers4rabbis i recommending doing a more thorough investigation in to rabbinical claims about isaiah 53. You'll notice that missionaries have misquoted or taken quotes out of context from most of these sources. And also it is important to understand that mashiach merely means anointed during the times of their writings, and that language was not used in order to refer to a final redeemer.
moddie84 1 year ago
@moddie84 ok, this is taking up too much of my time and not getting anywhere, if you would like to talk more, it will have to be by phone. private message me and we can set that up through skype or yahoo messenger or something.
answers4rabbis 1 year ago
@moddie84 Some Rabbis? The point is NO Rabbis were talking about Israel until 1500 years AFTER Jesus. You can not claim that there was no concept of "THe Messiah" at the time that was written. Why do you keep making stuff up?
answers4rabbis 1 year ago
@answers4rabbis and don't say "its in a different chapter so its a different subject." The chapter breaks were introduced by the church, and were never in the original scriptures. It is clearly all one thought.
moddie84 1 year ago
@moddie84 yes, ONE PERSON in the CONTEXT of a COMMUNITY. Do you mean to tell me that you think EVERY PERSON SHOULD BE CUT OFF FOR ANY UNINTENTIONAL SIN??? Do you even listen to yourself?
answers4rabbis 1 year ago
@answers4rabbis in addition the ONLY one called the servant in all of Isaiah is Israel/Jacob/Yeshurin(righteous remnant of Israel). And the 4th servant song starts at the end of Isaiah 52 "Behold My servant will prosper." Then it says that the servant will the kings of nations will be astonished, and then it leads in to "who would believe our report." The speaker are the kings of nations, it is what they will say when they are astonished.
moddie84 1 year ago
@answers4rabbis again modern translations have changed it to fit christianity, but if you check the masoretic texts, it will say "From my peoples' sins, there was injury to them."
moddie84 1 year ago
@answers4rabbis I have already answered this Isaiah 53 4 "Surely our diseases he carried and our pains he bore, yet we ourselves esteemed him cursed, smitten of G- D and afflicted." this is saying that until the messiah, gentiles will believe Israel is suffering because of Israel's sin, when in fact its because the sins of the nations. Also Hosea and daniel predict the destruction of the 2nd temple.
moddie84 1 year ago
@answers4rabbis yes some rabbis said this is talking about the messiah, but they said it was about a messiah, and at the time that was written, anyone annointed, a king or a high priest was called messiah, and the righteous remnant of Israel.
moddie84 1 year ago
@answers4rabbis what are you talking about? " 27 “‘But if just one person sins unintentionally, that person must bring a year-old female goat for a sin offering....“‘But anyone who sins defiantly, whether native-born or foreigner, blasphemes the LORD and must be cut off from the people of Israel." Thats one person not a community
moddie84 1 year ago