Through Zero Flanging on Guitar Rig 3

here i'm using the splitter parallel tool thing which puts two of the deluxe electric mistress models in parallel. one of the mistresses is set to a frozen flanger (to trick the program into thinking i'm going forward in time) and the other is sweeping normally. both flangers are set 100% wet in the sub-menu parameters thing. oh, and there's also the cheesy terrible fuzz face model going on. whatever - you can see the settings in the pic, lol.

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[keef69]

yes, i saw it, it works nice. but i'm not sure about the quality of the time modulation into a classic flange, compare to the time modulation of a reel to reel. also, i don't understand why you try the "dry signal" delayed through another flange, static, rather than simply a delay effect that you set wet, and time adjusted. another thing that i don't like so much,is the period of the flange oscillation, so constant . i need something just like a reel to reel. but your idea gets close with basis

[niiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiick]

@keef69 well the static flanger is pretty much the same as a delay effect set totally wet and on the lowest delay time, i just used a static flanger because it was easier to tweak the delay time. you could make the modulated flanger in parallel also a frozen flanger and then turn the delay time knob to manually go through zero like you would with the tapes, but that's hard to do if you're playing guitar at the same time ;)

[niiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiick]

@keef69 the two flangers here don't go one into the other, they're going in parallel - the real dry signal goes into both at the same time and then is mixed back together, using the splitter tool.

i agree though, the sweep on flangers is too predictable, that's why i like the envelope control on the foxrox pedal ;)

[keef69]

that's cool for you if you could get close, but i couldn't, i'm searching for a digital way to simulate perfectly the tape band slowing down or going faster, mixed with a dry signal, but all in post effects. can't find any satisfying stuff on all internet. they just cheat , allways. and i'd like to draw it, just like the tempo track in cubase that i can't make work : no effect, only on the click speed ! lol

[niiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiick]

@keef69 a tape band slowing down is pretty much what a flanger is doing when it's on its own (i.e. against no dry signal or nothing), it's just a modulated delay time. when it's against a fixed delay and it overlaps (goes through zero) it is as if it is speeding up. i can't think of a better way to get that sound other than this trick, especially in real time! check out the other video of guitar rig flanging that i uploaded, i think that's the sound that you're looking for ;)

[keef69]

oh ! you didn't mention that there was a tiny delay on the false dry signal. mmh, maybe then. i should try, but i did it the way you did it in the video, and it didn't sound like a tape flange to me. the most glorious flange i could hear was by accident : having two different "gotta live together" from jimi at the same time : one didn't have the same tempo, and some variations ... perfect ! here it really was a through zero.

[niiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiick]

@keef69 yeah! the frozen flanger in essence is just a really short delay that creates the comb filter. for the effect to be clear you have to go to the sub-parameters on both flangers and set them both to totally wet, and if you want it to sound like the 'house burning down' sound for example you have to have one of the flangers with the 'invert' switch on and that will give you the flange sound where as it goes through zero the whole sound disappears for a moment.

[keef69]

yes i know that they are two separate channels from the same signal. i think that you should try this principle with a delay effect aside, or move the track with some mseconds later for the dry. and try to get nice deep results with a clean tone. and we'll see how interesting it is.you're lucky to have a tzf. years back i talked with dave to get one, not expensive. we talked about lenny kravitz are you gonna go. he did the flange control for the guitarist, himself, for this recording. works nice

[niiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiick]

@keef69 yeah! that's what's going on here, the dry signal isn't really the dry, it's delayed. there's a tiny bit of latency between playing the guitar and the guitar sound coming out, but you don't notice it because it's just short enough for the modulated flanger to sweep past it (because the modulated one is delayed against the REAL dry signal which we don't hear).

[niiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiick]

@keef69 i don't understand what you mean, the sweeping flanger in my video is going before and after 'zero' because the dry signal is fixed at a couple milliseconds of delay. the beatles video is cool and i've watched it hundreds of times haha, but the guy's doing the out of phase flange sound there (which i tried to do in another video) and it sounds more or less similar. sounds good enough for me at least! :p