Skeptics Gospel I: Testimony

A 3 part presentation of the Christian gospel geared for the skeptic, part one is part of my personal testimony. Part 2 explains the Gospel and presents the life of Jesus as foretold 700 years prior to his birth by the Old Testament prophet Isaiah, part 3 explains this amazing evidence for the reality of that Gospel by demonstrating that God wrote it in advance 700 years before Jesus Christ fulfilled it to the letter.



"There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance that principle is contempt prior to investigation."
-Herbert Spencer

Dedicated to Dr. K. Sandberg NCSU

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[Rundvelt]

I would propose that if you hate things you create you have the intellect of a child.

Do you not realize that if you create something you are in fact the one to blame?

So, you cut a star from a piece of paper and it's all crooked. Do you hate the star for being crooked? Of course not. Because you're at fault. You may not like it, but you don't hate it.

And this is about you. Because the first step to being intelligent about what you believe is the understanding that your mind is first.

[nosloppyagape]

some times, but this isnt about me and what i do this is about the nature of God. he hated esau, he didnt love esau, sure he showed some benevolence by providing life to esau and one could call this love.. like wise God does not have the same saving super-personal superior love for everyone as he does for his elect... only his elect experience the fullness of his love, the rest are (in the end) hated and abandoned by God..

[Rundvelt]

And yet God created a universe in which Esau would have existed. Tell me, do you hate things you create?

[nosloppyagape]

Ro 9:13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.

God doesn't "love everyone" he hated esau, a typification of the majority of mankind.

[Rundvelt]

How does that prove that Jesus' suffering wasn't inconsequential? They're not even attached logically.

I'd argue that Jesus' suffering was less then a mortal mans because he KNEW he was going to heaven and that he was God.

If he truly wished to suffer as humans do, he'd have subjected himself to all the doubt and fear that humans experience.

So, I'd ask you this. How is Jesus' suffering more then a mortals when you consider that he would have had less fear and doubt. That's suffering too.

[bigwhammyRocks]

Not quite as Jesus is the only sinless man to ever live... and your just ignoring whole thing about him being God in the flesh. It's His innocence and who he is that's makes his suffering significant. Christians are told to expect suffering - Christianity is not a religion its a process of being transformed into his image and character - suffering is part of the package.

[Rundvelt]

You contradict yourself in your own sentence.

If the suffering on earth is inconsequential, then Jesus' death on the cross is inconsequential. If that's the case, it's not a real demonstration of God's love.

Whoops?

[bigwhammyRocks]

You have a false definition of love. In light of eternity suffering on earth is relatively inconsequential. And God is familiar with suffering, he came to earth and died a brutal death in your place. You really can not get more loving than that.

[Rundvelt]

It's a problem because if you accept bad things happening to people as part of God's plan, then you accept that God is the source of suffering for people in the world.

An odd trait for someone who "loves" us.

[Rundvelt]

No, I don't put faith in what people say. I make an objective conclusion about them and what I know of the world to evaluate what they say.

So, if I have a family member who I have never seen lie say "I had eggs for breakfast." I believe them. I'm not taking it upon faith, I have observed them to be trustworthy and the statement isn't at odds with the world.

The more drastic the claim, the more evidence is required. So, when I learn things, I do not accept them until I understand why.