TU 154M official crash animation and real CVR (near Irkutsk)

Accident description and CVR english transcript here:
http://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=20010704-0

Category:

Science & Technology

Tags:

• flight
• 352
• aviation
• accident
• planecrash
• CVR
• cockpit
• voice
• recorder
• tu
• 154
• burdakovka
• irkutsk

[plasticspastic201]

this animation is bullshit. they crashed in a flat spin. the animation shows forward flight into the ground

[flexalex13]

@plasticspastic201 that's an OFFICIAL animation of RA -85845 Burdanovka crash, i think RA-85185 tragedy near Donetsk confused you.

[NZtegmen]

Does any one know if it's possible to recover from a flat spin in a Tu154? Assuming of course there is enough altitude? Ie by proper handling? One would assume not pulling up, using rudder to correct spin and diving nose down to get the speed back?

[flexalex13]

@NZtegmen there was a burning discussion on that point on famous russian aviaforum after the RA 85185 tragedy, the main outcome is no chance, impossible.

[dimka171]

r.i.p

[alexey7777777]

rip

[ekovir]

what makes this nois in CVR? Not engines - it has the same pitch...

[MrSrgj]

On some recordings heard as the aircraft commander sends greetings to his wife and children.

[hammerogod]

Vladivostokavia Flight 352 was the 56th loss of a Tupolev 154.

That is just a stat until you consider that it only took the crash of 2 De Havilland Comets to virtually end it's use as a Commercial airliner.

The DC10 was only manufactured for 20 years largely because of safety issues.

I mean, RIP to everyone who lost their lives in a TU-154, but maybe it's time to rethink how these things are flown.

Or if they should be flown.

[2203geo]

Пилоты блин. Матом еще там ругаются

[LeKaX95X]

какая графа пиздатая...

[plasticspastic201]

@davetek490 the video bares NO resemblance to the description provided. no flat spin. no belly flop. the video shows forward motion and the nose going into the ground. wake up please.

[plasticspastic201]

the last dude sounds a little miffed. hahaha

[davetek490]

@plasticspastic201 What are you talking about? The camera is locked with perspective to the plane. 1:10 1st departure due to stall, causes a bank, then incorrect F/O input raises the nose. 1:31 Full departure from controlled flight, notice back ground is spinning but wings are relatively level. That is a flat spin. The left wing is hardly seeing any airflow. They try to get the nose down but not enough altitude left.

[pvn35]

шок

[plasticspastic201]

@flexalex13 hardly a spin then fool. more like a slight deviation.