Atheists insist on asking this question when they are faced with the Cosmological Argument. In this video I explain why it proceeds from a false premise.
This is probably the most stupidest question I've read. Aetheists don't believe in God and you're asking them who created him? Dafuq man, you must be retarded.
Yeah, a lot of people seem compelled by this, realizing it's a valid argument. For everything OTHER than fantasies, the two terms are founded on cause and effect.
Whatever begins to exist = must have a cause
If I didn't trick myself to circumvent the problem, then logically god doesn't rely on meager human logic because God wouldn't need to have a cause.
And that's why I regard Craig as among the most distinguish apologists I've ever encountered.
Because one cannot have a basis for objective moral statements if God does not exist. That is, if there's no supreme "Good" found in the notion of God, then everyone becomes their own moral arbiter of truth, and so people can easily justify theft, murder, etc, and exploit the gray area a "maybe" presents. Now some people think that's absolute freedom, I think it's absolutely crazy.
@AaronPatrickLeeMusic yeah, I can put up with it cause I don't get harassed or anything but I like learning about because the more I do, the less sense it makes
Yeah, a lot of people seem compelled by this, failing to realize it's a circular argument. For everything OTHER than his god, the two terms are virtually interchangeable.
Whatever begins to exist = Whatever exists
If Craig didn't use that trick to circumvent the problem, then logically his god could not exist because it doesn't have a cause. And that's why I regard him as among the most dishonest people I've ever encountered.
@millerliteisgud I went to Catholic school as well and experienced almost exactly what you are going through. It's tough being critical of religious doctrines. You will almost certainly be ostracized for your beliefs. Seek the truth (that which comports with reality) and I think everything will be okay. Don't worry about appeals to fear from the other side. If we're supposed to fear the Christian hell, then Christians should fear other cultures' versions of hell too.
@BattleshipAgincourt The cosmological argument, as it is presented by William Lane Craig, circumvents this problem with careful language. It states that everything that begins to exist has a cause, the key word being "begins." People who use the cosmological argument posit that God did not begin to exist, but rather, has always existed, and therefore would not require a cause based on the first premise. He would be self-existent and eternal.
This is probably the most stupidest question I've read. Aetheists don't believe in God and you're asking them who created him? Dafuq man, you must be retarded.
bayonet14 9 hours ago
@Aaron
Yeah, a lot of people seem compelled by this, realizing it's a valid argument. For everything OTHER than fantasies, the two terms are founded on cause and effect.
Whatever begins to exist = must have a cause
If I didn't trick myself to circumvent the problem, then logically god doesn't rely on meager human logic because God wouldn't need to have a cause.
And that's why I regard Craig as among the most distinguish apologists I've ever encountered.
BattleshipAgincount 2 days ago
@MrEman561
Because one cannot have a basis for objective moral statements if God does not exist. That is, if there's no supreme "Good" found in the notion of God, then everyone becomes their own moral arbiter of truth, and so people can easily justify theft, murder, etc, and exploit the gray area a "maybe" presents. Now some people think that's absolute freedom, I think it's absolutely crazy.
Ioannesmartialis 3 days ago
Why is it so big deal if god dose exist?
MrEman561 4 days ago
@BattleshipAgincourt Bull shit
MrEman561 4 days ago
@AaronPatrickLeeMusic yeah, I can put up with it cause I don't get harassed or anything but I like learning about because the more I do, the less sense it makes
millerliteisgud 5 days ago
@Aaron
Yeah, a lot of people seem compelled by this, failing to realize it's a circular argument. For everything OTHER than his god, the two terms are virtually interchangeable.
Whatever begins to exist = Whatever exists
If Craig didn't use that trick to circumvent the problem, then logically his god could not exist because it doesn't have a cause. And that's why I regard him as among the most dishonest people I've ever encountered.
BattleshipAgincourt 5 days ago
@millerliteisgud I went to Catholic school as well and experienced almost exactly what you are going through. It's tough being critical of religious doctrines. You will almost certainly be ostracized for your beliefs. Seek the truth (that which comports with reality) and I think everything will be okay. Don't worry about appeals to fear from the other side. If we're supposed to fear the Christian hell, then Christians should fear other cultures' versions of hell too.
AaronPatrickLeeMusic 5 days ago
Of course, there are other problems with Craig's presentation of the cosmological argument. I may make a quick video about them soon.
AaronPatrickLeeMusic 5 days ago
@BattleshipAgincourt The cosmological argument, as it is presented by William Lane Craig, circumvents this problem with careful language. It states that everything that begins to exist has a cause, the key word being "begins." People who use the cosmological argument posit that God did not begin to exist, but rather, has always existed, and therefore would not require a cause based on the first premise. He would be self-existent and eternal.
AaronPatrickLeeMusic 5 days ago