Seconds From Disaster - S03E06 - Florida Swamp Air Crash

ValuJet Flight 592 was a scheduled domestic passenger flight between Miami International Airport, Miami, Florida, and William B. Hartsfield Atlanta International Airport, Atlanta, Georgia. On 11 May 1996, the McDonnell Douglas DC-9 aircraft flying the route crashed in the Everglades shortly after take-off, killing all 110 aboard. The crash raised fears about the safety of the low-cost carrier ValuJet, eventually forcing the company to merge with the much smaller AirTran Airways, scrapping the tarnished ValuJet brand name in favor of the AirTran brand in the process.

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[SheffieldSteel1000]

@Th3R3alPr0 And further to Rampage2015's comment... People have good reasons to say they wish you a slow and painful death without meaning it as a joke. This crash was in no way the pilots' fault (dropping oxygen masks would have worsened the fire as it would have fed on all the new oxygen). They had families and loved ones just like their passengers did. How dare you express gratitude at their deaths you stupid uneducated scum bag.

[DeputyLOL]

DC = Designed to Crash

[skeilak]

@VERGIS92

Again, wrong.

The only person on the entire Planet Earth, that thinks it's a good idea to pump pure oxygen into a burning airplane, is you.

If you insist on calling that, "a difference of opinion", so be it.

I, in turn, will call it, "the ravings of a deranged lunatic".

[VERGIS92]

@skeilak what is really puzzling me is the SPEED of the fire, in almost all the incidents, regardless of my other thoughts, there's no way that emergency procedures were prepared for such fast-developing fires, by the time they notice is too late, I mean why not have sensors and auto-reaction systems, waiting for the smoke to tell you you have a fire is not good, never mind some 30 minute long emergency procedure

[VERGIS92]

@skeilak so this oxygen thing we are debating here, under these conditions in the aircraft, may in fact be about as complex as those long unsolved problems in Maths and Physics where the definite solution may be proven to be in accordance with what you claim, or it may be a counter intuitive solution where the fire would not get any more oxygen. I hope they install a fire extinguishing system inside planes and we will never see these accidents again

[VERGIS92]

@skeilak I'm not making a point against you, just saying how complex a seemingly simple problem can be, and we must be cautious about 'sure scientists'. I once had a math professor at high school who thought he was smart, if he was super smart he could have won a Nobel prize and $1million , solving one of the many unsolved problems in maths, and he wouldn't be a high school professor at all... so don't trust anyone's quick findings and opinion 100% on any scientific task

[VERGIS92]

@skeilak physics is about fact, not public opinion poll results, not even opinion poll of ordinary engineers and physicists like we are, none of us can conclusively prove their point, and it's very a complicated problem to solve (whether breathing oxygen would reach the fire, and would really have an impact to an already perfectly breathing fire). believe me problems are much harder to solve, if they were easy, any physicist could crack a long unsolved problem and claim a NOBEL

[skeilak]

@VERGIS92

Yeah, I'm funny that way...

I'd rather land in a burning aircraft in one piece, with the hope of rescue, than add oxygen to the fire, and land in thousands of pieces, spread-out over a three mile area.

But you're right about one thing, Professor; adding oxygen to a fire on an aircraft, is extremely counter intuitive. Some might even say, bat-shit insane.

[VERGIS92]

@skeilak you are avoiding to explain what I already asked you, so if you are going to apply the rules of physics apply them properly not asymmetrically like you say. I cannot believe that you will want to land a plane in one piece, with all the passengers suffocated, Pilots have gotten out of trouble by doing all sorts of counter intuitive things, beyond standard procedures, in many incidents you don't even have the time to apply that generic procedure

[skeilak]

@VERGIS92

So, your arrogance, stupidity, rage, and paranoia, all trump established emergency procedures?

I take some comfort in knowing that people like you, always die first in any critical situation. (Hopefully, without killing others in the process.)

Still, maybe you can explain how arrogance, stupidity, rage, and paranoia, change the laws of physics, and make it a good idea to add oxygen to an aircraft fire?

[VERGIS92]

@skeilak you made up your mind that oxygen from the masks will go straight to the fire, through all obstacles, and all of it, and it will be just the oxygen the fire missed so much, while you also believe the outdated emergency procedure will save your life instead, you know what, denial, assumptions and wishful thinking will not help you in a case like this. To the airline , we are just a statistical loss, covered by insurance, they are not 100% devoted to emergencies, good luck

[themuffinman12345]

CEOs should go to jail for allowing this kind of thing to happen. It's shameful that they don't.