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@Califacience Have you seen the protests in LA? Most of the Hispanics protesting are young. They are active supporters of the Aztlan movement and La Raza. They are also very ethno-centric and not racially integrated. Maybe different in NY. But in CA, AZ it is like this.
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think extreme groups of all kinds get more press than they deserve simply because they are extreme, and the news love the sensational.
Youth popular culture (as atrocious as it is in other respects) is quite racially integrated, it is hard to imagine THEM going for a racial separation deal. There are ofcourse unassimilated hispanics who are not fully part of that culture, but the less integrated they are the less influence they tend to have over Hispanics as a whole.
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@Califacience Actually I think we underestimate the role of the extreme groups. As I believe will happen economic conditions in the US will continue to deteriorate and we will see growing support for what some might say are "extreme" groups...just my opinion though.
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Yes they do, but the separation of Blacks lasted CENTURIES, groups like the Nation of Islam have been for what, like 40 years? and it's safe to say that most Blacks don't share their desire to completely segregate the races. There are still issues that trouble me about the civil rights movement (particularly in more mainstream figures like Jesse Jackson) but i don't think we need to overestimate the roles of extreme organizations and inflate the problem even more.
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@Califacience true..but over the years these groups continue to advocate separatism. Obama's Rev Wright advocates black separatism. Hispanic groups like those that talk about Aztlan openly want the Southwest taken back to be part of Mexico. So there is growing separatism by various ethnic groups in a time when we are "celebrating diversity" but I believe is actually supporting continued fragmentation of America. This will not end well.
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Yes, but my post had to do with why groups like the Nation Of Islam came into existence in the first place. The reason they became separatists was because they were separated. The ghettos were not first created because Blacks wanted to only live among themselves, they were created because most Blacks were not permitted to live elsewhere as a consequence of a number of both legal and de facto tactics that were used to segregate them. I agree that it is not a good thing.
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@Califacience I see that there is in place and growing a separatism imposed by black and hispanics on American society. Sure there is white flight from those areas but I believe it is those ethnic groups that create the separation.
There are groups active in the hispanic community to take back the southwest which they believe was "stolen" from them. The are groups like the Nation of Islam that advocate black separatism.
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You discern the dangers of the kind of separatism that affirmative action policies can create, but do you see that it was Separatism (against Blacks) that opened the door to this further separatism (which i don't agree with, but which has come as a consequence of our own action).
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I also agree that the integration of Hispanics is a task with some difficulties because of both dysfunctions within the societies from which they come, and because of our own weakening sense of identity which has more to do with us than them, but I don't think groups like La Raza represent most Hispanics, and i live in New York where there is a pretty good number.
Califacience 1 year ago
@Califacience jeez..we agree again on La Raza. I think the sad fact is that we have very vocal groups that advocate separatism or even the breakup of the US to the benefit of their agendas....not to say that there are not other ethnic agendas. I am only saying sad in that if we were actually able to work toward a common America goal we might actually fix something.....a bit idealistic I know.
NY to San Diego discussion...gotta love technology
wakeupbreathing 1 year ago