BBC - Lovelock: 'We can't save the planet'

Finally, the global warming/climate change hysteria is fading out.
http://patrupedbun.net/meteorologii-cred-in-incalzirea-globala/comment-page-1...
The progressives will be busy making out a new doom and gloom theory from which just they can save us, but at least this one is coming to an end. I became bored to death of it.

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[walter0bz]

@MsTsarbomba -

regarding gates rockefeller sorros, you get cause and effect the wrong way round. we live in a world of scarcity, especially because we multiply so fast overwhelming our environment (e.g. today there are people alive who have seen the population triple). so those who can get ahead of the common man thrive. we trample over each other. Some say the strife/population pressure/wars etc is the only way to evolve, sadly, i hope not.

[walter0bz]

@MsTsarbomba --

if we solve thermonuclear, then indeed thats a game changer, but the consensus behind housing bubble for example is that we're most likely in for permanent unfixable scarcity.

thermonuclear: bombs work because they're unconfined. Sun works because it has 99.86% of solar system mass to make gravity confine. it may always be a technical impossibility to do it in a reactor. i think its ballpark 1-10% chance that we see working fusion in our lifetime

[walter0bz]

@MsTsarbomba -

yes man will usually over-reach. most people are hopeless.

sure , Humans WILL survive peak oil. but not MOST of them. most will meet a miserable end..

man cannot overcome anything, man is still bounded by physical laws. our recent progress is on the back of millions of years of dead algae, sorry. man is one part of the biosphere,not "made in gods image" or anything.

[walter0bz]

@MsTsarbomba -

"lots of oil" but produceable how fast?

Half what we started is still "Lots", but earth now has dramatically more people who also demand more oil. 1.5billion people at start of oil age, 7billion people today. if that growth continues, you always reach a crisis point where there is only enough for one get. e.g. imagine a family living off inheritance, but then dividing it between many kids gen after gen. it WILL run out.

[MsTsarbomba]

@walter0bz You just believe Man is hopeless and must be ruled and that he cant overcome problems. Fire then Coal then Oil then Nuclear then Thermonuclear etc etc man will overcome anything

[MsTsarbomba]

@walter0bz Bullshit bullshit bullshit bullshit the USA has lots of oil stil, the world is freezing right now because its entering an ice age. Here in Australia its nearly Summer right now and we're freezing like they are in the Northern Hemisphere. You keep believing Bill Gates John D Rockefeller and George Sorros and the Globalist Banking scumbags

[walter0bz]

@MsTsarbomba -

bubbles do happen sure, but all bubbles usually exaggerate a genuine story (the event predicted happens, it's just the price gets exaggerated upfront.). railways, internet had bubbles associated with the idea these tech would revolutionize lives. oil running out is a dead cert, sure there will be bubbles along the way, some people will find a way to profit.

[walter0bz]

@MsTsarbomba -

oil won't run out tomorrow. production is peaking about now - this was predicted 50 years ago, based on 40 year lag between peak discovery and peak production. USA peak discovery 1930's , peak production 1970's. same patter throughout the world, world peak discovery 60-70s , production about now . downhill from here on. hence the financial crisis (credit bubble was attempt to keep economy going without fesh resource)

[walter0bz]

@MsTsarbomba -

energy is the basis for money. Land in the past - land ownership=wealth, and today, oil (petrodollar).

petrodollar empire comes to an end with oil.

there isn't "so much energy". life is inherently an energy burning process so it always is on the edge of scarcity. every piece of complexity in nature is added to find some new niche. we specialized ourselves to this one dead end finite resource over the past 200 years

[walter0bz]

@MsTsarbomba -

it's not a choice!! i don't want solar panels/wind turbines, i certainly don't love them.

The oil age is temporary - which part of that don't you understand?

you can't change the laws of physics. finite substances run out.

Oil was like splurging a lottery win - fun till it ran out.

THe real problem is naive people having kids expecting their oil-based lifestyles can continue.