Is God a Delusion? 12/12

Moot: Is God a Delusion? Bill Cooke, Senior Lecturer, Manukau Institute of Technology and William Lane Craig, Research Professor of Philosophy at Talbot School of Theology in La Mirada

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[Jesusmetalhead]

ah, another win for Craig

[OverusedChewToy]

Craig is very ,very good at rhetoric, but that's about it.

Debates don't exactly say anything. "Winning" a debate is simply being the most convincing, not the most sound.

Also, to those saying that barely anybody changes their position on these kinds of things, the New Zealand census from 2001-2006 showed 26.17% increase in the number of people indicating no religion.

Either people are dropping religion and not theism, or, most likely, they're changing their position on the issue.

[TheIconodule]

I feel embarressed to be a New Zealander, but I thank God I am a Christian. Dr Craig did a wonderful job defending the truth of God, whereas the opponent only engaged in rhetoric and quite frankly didn't even touch upon the central topic of the deabte.

[Birdieupon]

How much did Bill Cooke positively, absolutely SUCK in this debate? He literally gave up half way through (no, wait a minute, he refused to debate the existence of God from the very beginning and chose to blabber on about God being a "barrier" instead). This debate was like watching William Lane Craig pull the wings off a fly. His brief exchange with Ray Bradley, in the Q&A, contained more food for thought than the entire debate (plus all the food that must have made Mr Cooke's waist line, lol)!

[hexusziggurat]

@Domzdream "as God loves is to love without reason, w/o thought of return, w/o bound. It's to desire the best for others, not to decide what is best for them. It is to desire happiness for others w/o necessarily knowing what will make them happy. It means helping others reach their potential, but not running their lives. It means being involved in others' lives while keeping our own self interest out of it, being willing to suffer great loss rather than use the other person for our own benefit."

[Domzdream]

Yes, but loving all those things you've mentioned is through constant and mutual actions, thus affirming the word 'love'.

When christians throw around the word 'love' it literally makes me want to stab the screen with my marker pen. Love is an emotion which is generated through constant and mutual (as I said) communication. That's why I do not believe in love at first sight, rather, lust.

[hexusziggurat]

@Domzdream do you love by taste? do you love by hearing? do you love by seeing? do you love by touching? do you love by feeling...yes! Love is emotional...it is not tangible. Love can have many examples of dedication through action. One thing for certain I have learned...you cannot love another until your heart is free from the chains of hate. I do like that there are reprocusions in society for people who transgress & for parent-child relationships as well..why is it so difficult for spiritual?

[Domzdream]

...psychotic) then having to give it a choice- love me or else. Dude, that's NOT a choice. It's blackmail. But it gets worse! Having to love something you cannot taste, touch, feel, hear, see, anything...It's NUTS!

Then sweet and apparently omnibivolent god puts this little bundle of a creation into his torturous device forever because it couldnt find this god and thus couldnt find the love for this it/him/her. That's sadism at best. You are worshiping a sadist.

That's not love man. No way.

[Domzdream]

Forgiveness for WHAT??!!! For sins I didn't commit. Sir, again, I am not insulting your intelligence, please understand, but I am insulting the things which you believe in which are nonsensical, self-refuting, philosophically devoid and self-capsizing.

Then there is the conundrum of god and his love and hell. If you truely loved something you made, whilst making the most evil and torturous device atthe same time delivering these lines of forgiveness and love (which to me sounds absolutely ...

[hexusziggurat]

@Domzdream 60 to 80 years of a terminal body life devoted to understanding we have sin & working towards forgiveness & understanding for an eternal paradise that is uncomprehendable to human quantification seems a very SMALL "waste of time" as you put it. Paying homage to the creator is a small price to pay to understand His love & the gifts He bestowed.

[hexusziggurat]

@gigi4123 choice by way of theism is not illusory. what is illusory about it? It would more likely be the case that theists adopt a more self-ownership of their actions b/c they understand there is consequences not just here in this world...but for their souls as well.