Milton Babbitt, String Quartet No 4 1970 Part One
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@lendallpitts The answer is quite simply: combinatoriality. This kinda thwarts the interestingness of the comment; it's just so darn obvious, considering the presence of hexachordal combinatoriality in Schoenberg's music, which Babbitt just then developed further into trichordal combinatoriality, allowing Babbitt to project 4 rows simultaneously instead of just 2 as Schoenberg did. Webern's music exhibited no combinatoriality of any kind; only row-derivation, superficially related to Babbitt's.
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if this was dedicated to the juliard quartet then i dont know what good music is anymore..
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Analyzing this music is amazingly fun in the mathematical sense, and it fills the intellectual side of your soul with a sort of satisfaction that other music simply cannot match. However, when aching for expression and truth, I simply cannot see how the complexities of feeling can conform to a rigid twelve pitch pattern. It is this odd juxtaposition, the act of brain over heart that alienates this music from the masses. A soul simply will not remain healthy in this aural environment for long.
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I wonder what the sheet music looks like for this LOL.
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After two centuries of "enlightenment," then the Fascist and Communist revolutions, and then two fratricidal world wars, Western Christian Civlilization is dead. The Milton Babbitts are part of the decomposition.
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@aculturemind You too mate, all the best
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I'm glad. Rock on, man.
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...Joking aside, in visiting this page to have this discussion I have started to find that Babbitt's random droplets of noise have grown on me a bit. I can certainly see more worth in it than I did at first.
I recently really got stuck into Beethoven's Pastoral symphony. I think it is an amazingly joyful work. To me it evokes the vast beauty and symmetry of nature, reminding me I am part of it and in doing so strengthens my own spritual convictions.
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@aculturemind I don't really understand your point about morals being illusory.
I'm surprised to read a human saying they are not concerned with human things.
I would say that "space and movement and form" are human things anyway, at the very least one has to be human to perceive and delight in them. If you are in fact an alien I apologise for any offence caused by my anthropocentrism, and congratulate you on your grasp of west coast slang. Dude.
Just want to mention, in his Madison lectures, Babbitt said he was much more a Schoenbergite than a Webernite.
posquint 2 years ago
Yes, an extremely interesting comment. However one must balance it with his statement that Schoenberg did not fully appreciate the implications of his own "discovery" -- meaning that he did not realize that a piece could be made more fully integrated or organic (my terms, obviously, not Babbitt's) by applying row structure to other elements: For example, to rhythm, the "poor stepchild" (I believe that was Babbitt's expression). So one might imagine that would make him Webernian.
lendallpitts 2 years ago