Debunking Conservative Myths Re: Universal Healthcare

Conservatives are deeply confused and misguided about how our healthcare system operates. Thankfully, I have taken the time to enlighten them.

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[crob80227]

Also, hospitals cannot refuse life saving emergency treatment to people based in income. So how can a hospital function in a free market when they are FORCED to give away millions in "free" service to people that will never be able to pay it back?

[crob80227]

Again and again we come back to the simple point that "illness" simply cannot be regulated by free market forces. There are NO market based solutions for illness. You cannot choose WHAT illness to get nor can you choose WHEN you will get it nor WHERE you will get it. So the illusion that the "consumer" (otherwise known as a patient) has the exact same choices an actual consumer has is ridiculous in the extreme.

[crob80227]

And yet NOT ONE critic of UHC has commented on the fact that "illness" is in no way, shape or form a "consumer good" nor can it be controlled by free market forces.

[mrdowns]

Police and fire services aren't federal services. You pay for them with state and/or city taxes, and some states/cities have better/worse/more/less police and fire services than others. So under your argument, health care should be taken care of at the state and city level, if at all.

I agree. Health care should not be a federal system, because not all states and cities have the same needs and wants. This is a problem better handled at the local level, if at all.

[hozehd]

If your answer is forcing everyone to buy health coverage under penalty of law then you are the problem. This of course is what the medical industrial complex has laid infront of us as the golden brick road to afordable health care. In reality its really going to put government in you homes and lives in a way we have never seen before.

[juxtn]

I support universal healthcare, but cost sharing is a must in my opinion. I think people respect something more when they had to contribute towards it, they also are given a sense of ownership over the services they get so they hopefully will both treat it with respect -yet be empowered to demand a certain level of quality from it.

[Houshalter]

Central planning has never worked, and cannot ever work for simple economic reasons.

[AhYaOk]

did you pay it?

[buckshot211]

Actually yeah If you do a controlled burn and it gets out of hand the fire department does charge to come and extinguish it. And I'm a democrat but I know what Universal health care will do and It will destroy our economy even further.

[niceguyinhell]

No, you don't Johnny Retard. You COULD go ahead a scan a copy of this alleged "bill" people get from the fire department? Can ya do that? No? Because you're a) an idiot b) a big idiot and c) just making shit up and hoping no one calls you on it. I am though. You're lying (or possibly just really, really dumb) Now go have homosexual sex with a male escort like a good little Republican freak.

[buckshot211]

Actually you can get a bill from the fire department. Let me consult my notes here.... ah yes, your a fucking idiot

[parhound]

Maybe it's on another segment but..... who is gonna pay for this new system? I assume it's the same people that has funded all the other government ran systems! OUCH!!! If we redistribute the wealth there will be no one to pay and then we'll be doomed!

[DarcPrynce]

Millions more who have been added to the list of 48 million are people who are temporarily without insurance due to having lost their jobs, and most of these folks will regain their insurance within 4 months of having lost it. The remaining percentage of America citizens who do not have medical insurance for years at a time is quite small indeed.

[DarcPrynce]

Beyond all this, there is a growing myth in the United States that some 48 million Americans have no access to health care. This is simply a lie. In the first place, upwards of 17 million of this number are young adults who have the resources to buy their own health insurance, but choose not to. Another 12 million are illegal aliens, and between 10 and 11 million are people who qualify for government medical assistance but have failed to apply for it.

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[DarcPrynce]

In these socialized systems, the elderly and people with chronic illnesses are routinely put on waiting lists that keep them in medical limbo for months if not years. In fact, so many people in Canada are denied necessary medical care each year that they are forced to come to the U.S. for treatment, which they are forced to pay for out of pocket despite the fact that they've already paid for health care via taxation in Canada.

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[DarcPrynce]

Rationing has occurred because there are far too many people taking advantage of the "free" system for minor ailments that they would not seek a doctor's care for in a private system. Also, doctors are not paid enough in a socialized system as compared to a private system, so less and less people become doctors each year. More patients and less doctors equals rationed care.

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[DarcPrynce]

Secondly, the countries which have adopted a Hillary/Obama/Kennedy style universal health care system which is run primarily by the state, such as Britain and Canada, have seen their quality of care plummet in recent years, and health care rationing is commonplace. The reasons for this state of affairs is relatively easy to grasp, and conservatives predicted such would be the case from the onset.

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[DarcPrynce]

You may call conservative views on health care "scare tactics," but the facts speak louder than the leftist rhetoric in this regard. In the first place, the government is already involved in upwards of 47 percent of the health care system in America, and the more involved it gets, the more expensive every aspect of health care becomes. This always happens when a layer of government bureaucracy is added to an otherwise private system.

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[StoicSentry]

Fundamentally I do agree with you that the conservatives do not understand universal health care. On the other hand, I don't think the liberals get it either. The problem is that there is a false misconception here that the U.S. has a free market health care system. It doesn't. Over 50% of spending on health care in the U.S. is government money ALREADY, medicare, medicaid, public employee benefits, other programs in individual states. Then we have the FDA, lawsuits for malpractice etc etc etc

[Zoobilord]

That and we can't afford it as a nation. It will destroy our economy.

[TheLastMizzy]

SOME people take advantage of the system, yes. Most people don't. How does that make the system "fail"? And how does universal health care disincentive success? Have you ever set foot outside America? I live in Canada, and none of this rings true. At all. Our system isn't perfect. No one would claim that it is. But neither is yours.

[Zoobilord]

That was obviously just an example. And you should read what I said, which had nothing to do with juvinile diabeties. The problem is that people will take advantage of the system, and it will cause it to fail. When there is a system that disincentivies success, then it breeds failure. It is human nature.

[TheLastMizzy]

What about the kid that's born with juvenile diabetes? Fuck him! Because you were born with a healthy body, that's all that really matters, right?

You really shouldn't be so cynical. Not everyone is a low-life free loader.

[supersporkspank]

Why shouldn't supporting universal health be considered pro-life? Is it only pro-life to dictate bedroom morality and limit access to abortion and contraception, all the while treating health insurance like automobile insurance and acting on the assumption that if health insurance were more difficult and costly to get, and if those fortunate enough to have health insurance had possibly less than they really needed, they'd be more likely not to get sick? What's immoral about preventive care?

[BeyondTheSpectrum08]

The only reason conservatives can get away with calling the idea of Universal Health Care "Socialism" is because there were no Americans enlightened enough to engrain the ideas of free health care into our heads during the founding of the nation. If they had, this wouldn't even be an issue because the idea would be just as much a part of the way we did things as our notion of free public (and compulsory) education.

beyond-the-political-spectrum.­blogspot(dot)com/

[kgwickings]

I think you are oversimplifying the conservative's view to make your point sympathetic. A government strong enough to give you anything you want is strong enough to take everything away.. I can't remember who said it. I would rather have uncertainty (like I do now) than give the government more power.

[kgwickings]

i do too and I have refused several procedures due to cost to me. they weren't necessary, but I would have had them if they were free.

[kgwickings]

Atlas Shrugged

[kgwickings]

what about the "numbers of uninsured"? that number of 40 odd million people includes illegals, those that choose not to have health insurance for instance (people who can afford it). that isn't a scare tactic?

[utubehayter]

Is health care service selling "illness"? I thought they were trying to sell "treatment". And yes treatment is a service. And yes services are best provided when controlled by free market forces. All you are arguing is for other people to pay for your health care, through a extravagantly inefficient system. I don't blame you though, most Americans ARE ignorant of how things actually work (Are you from a public school?).