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[JGvisions]

i mean, go to any town city or country and if you see a uniformed behavior of any kind that is not choice. You go to canada and pick any random person and mathematically speaking, they will like Hockey. Go to africa or some where on ivory coast and i garauntee you will most likely find that any person you stop is muslim. yes, that is generalization but a generalization based on a present and clear reality of how you dont have choice in things like that.

[JGvisions]

...Mind you again, that in all these examples, the prime common denominator is the culture itself. So if people really have free will to choose, they would act opposite of what the culture dictates to them to behave for the better(because african american culture has become inimical yet if we collectively had free will, we would not still be practicing the negative aspects of the culture). just as much as one can say that islamic culture has a 3-4% divorce rate, where is...part 2

[JGvisions]

1.) actually, i would be able to agree with you except that you forget enmasse about kids being raised in a particular religion coming out with the same religious beleifs of the parent. Or culturally speaking why african americans still deal with and inherently make inimical choices in regards to breaking free from a bad culture. Or why palestinians are still at war with Isrealis over land they could easily share(mind you al jezzer actively promotes conflict between the two cultures)...part 1

[neosoontoretro]

@JGvisions 1) External influences does not negate free will because you have a choice to be influenced by them or want thsoe influences my be. In other words someone can choose to ignore external influences or choose influences that fit your beliefs. 2) Its not a straw man because with your scenario there was only one choice. But with more choices there is more need for free will.

[JGvisions]

Oh, you are 100 and ten percent correct in stating the definition of cosmology and the such. that is the definition but you failed to understand the concept of the word is cosmo- meaning the universe. its a term used loosely by psychologist who are attempting it, to create a grand unified or universal theory of human behavior. its sort of like a psychologist 's version of the philosophers stone of human behavior.

[JGvisions]

In other words, free will(in a non religious perspective) loosely is willfully performing an act free from outside influences or cohersion. when you have a need, want, tast, mentality, preference, ect., you free will is influenced because its going to dictate how you make a discision to the extent that it can be predicted. hense your will is not free nor is it a choice when taken into perspective on what influences your choice or what coherses you to do so.

[JGvisions]

...the specifications of what your looking for just as much as if i gave you a "choice" in the three best cars, you would still pick the same car out of those options. 2.) the reason why its a straw man argument is because the principle itself will remain the same and is factual even if you(and i do mean YOU) decide to provide options to replace choices #2 and #3, said person confronted with the "choice" will still pick the BEST car to fit his needs or wants.....part 3

[JGvisions]

...and there are also sitautions where the "choice" isnt so clear to make. you have to analayze the options afforded to you and pick the best "choice that fits your needs. ergo, you are going to pick the best car out of the best options depending upon you being a logical person, the information provided about the car or situation, and your need or want. in fact you said it the best in your earlier response because out it will be the same thing if i just gave you the car that best fits...part 2

[JGvisions]

@neosoontoretro im a bit confused, you said i gave sounds options but then turn around to say but since the other 2 options would result to an undesirable outcome, there really isnt a choice in which because your going to pick the best one. 1) first, that is the point of example (in an extreme sense). there are sitautions where you need to fulfill a need or want and when presented with said "Options", there is a distinct and clear selection to make in the given example. when presented...part 1

[neosoontoretro]

@JGvisions I have looked up cosmology and I'm afraid you mistaken. "Cosmology is the study of the structure of the universe from the standpoint of physics. The term is often used synonymously with cosmogony in casual conversations." Scientists and mathmatician have used fields like astronomy to study people but as many of them would say people are much more complicated than numbers.