Re: Encountering a Dawkinist

My reply to the question "How do you know that testing is the best way to find the truth?".

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Science & Technology

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• Dawkinst
• Dawkins
• truth
• testing
• science
• scientific
• method
• humans

[jaquinlan]

You are a human being... so are you saying I shouldn't believe you?

The fundamental problem with science is that the answer you get depends entirely on the question asked, which initially depended on your original understanding of the problem. Can you see some limitations?

Even Francis Bacon began with the supposition that the God created a rational universe that could be understood.

[rocketmagnet]

@jaquinlan "You are a human being... so are you saying I shouldn't believe you?"

That's what I'm saying.

[jaquinlan]

@rocketmagnet hmmm... So I guess I should believe humans beings because I shouldn't believe that I shouldn't believe humans beings?

All I'm trying to say is that truth can be found outside of the scientific method - it's a great method, but it's not perfect or all-encompassing.

[rocketmagnet]

@jaquinlan It's not perfect, but it's the best we've got. If we can't answer a question using science, then we certainly can't answer it using religion.

[h8uall66]

Her answers and mannerisms seemed suspicious to me, as if she was acting. I looked through his other vids, and they ALL have this feature in common.

[rocketmagnet]

I didn't get that impression.

[DjKahle]

It's a circular argument mate, look it up. It's used to confuse people, so you can build a straw man off their "ignorance" of the circular argument and appear to be the more informed person.

He didn't offer anything else other than religion, he didn't even come close to how in depth scientific tests can delve. He just jumps to his MO which was clearly primed and ready form his physical posture during half the conversation. He looked like he couldn't wait to try and convert her to his cult.

[KamasutraButterfly]

One could've just said that science took us to the moon! If that's not a clear example of how the scientific method actually works then I don't know what is!

[EwekEmelot]

Testing is not the best way to know something.Indeed,deduction is,as we can see in logics and mathematics, which are the only sciences that can not be proven wrong later out of better evidence.In all natural sciences we can gain better evidences in later times,that proof our theories to be wrong.Non the less,testing is a good way in the phenomenal world.

[deshaebeasley]

"Truth is stating a mass or energy in its correct time and space" ~deshaebeasley

[MeakerSE]

How do we know testing works? How about the computer you are freaking typing on?

[LambdaQuarks]

@jaquinlan

Limitations? lol the entire modern medical field is based on this process and not only has allowed us to live longer but healed many diseases. The scientific method used to testing is truth because it WORKS. Nothing else works, literally everything else is clearly just assumptions that fail every time.

[curtisarends]

You explain we cannot trust people because they disagree, how does that disprove one or the other? If I know the sun is hot, and someone else says they know it is cold, and we fight over it, it doesn't change the fact that one person is right.

Also you state that the more people there are asking the same question and get the same result, the more confident we can be in the answer. If the world has say a billion people seeking out God and finding him, doesn't that give God some credibility?

[twooffour]

I tried to explain this in the video, but I think you nailed much better.

[twooffour]

@jaquinlan

The problem with religion is that the answer you get for questions you did or didn't ask, has no validity in relation to your original understanding of the problem.