Re: Atheist Cant Prove There Is A Wrong And Right

Apparently I tend to move around a lot (and stutter occasionally), so sorry for the bad editing. Windows Movie Maker is really bad (or is it that I'm bad? Haha!)

I try to reply to handh4ever's "interesting" video in which he claims that Atheists cannot prove right and wrong (obviously from the title).

The problem is... no one can prove right and wrong. They are concepts used to simplify actions into two fields: good and bad. While in reality things are far, far more complicated than good and bad, we still try to simplify things for various purposes.

Humans figured out various things that worked and did not work within tribes and towns which eventually became traditions and laws and parts of cultures. Skip a few thousand years of progress, revisions, edits, and new concepts replacing old ones, and here we are!

In today's world the most likened form of society is a free society. Sure, not all society's are "free", but most are or want to be. Now, not a single society is purely free. One cannot be free unless one is capable of doing ANYTHING.

That causes obvious problems inside a society, therefore, we try to make people as free as possible while still keeping societies intact and running smoothly. That is what laws are for. To keep people in check so that things don't just go into absolute chaos.

I don't really see what is wrong with incest, polygamy, homosexuality, sex changes, cloning, suicide, taking drugs, or singing Karaoke.

What makes something wrong, assuming the Golden Rule is correct, is when someone causes direct or purposeful indirect harm to another. Obviously, that is still too simple, but since we have already agreed to simplify matters into right and wrong, why the hell not, eh?

If a nuclear holocaust occured and, somehow, there was a small area not hit, without deadly amounts of radiation... and you and your sister (or brother or whatever!) were the only ones apparently alive... do you commit incest and repopulate the planet? Or is it evil and wrong to do so and thus you should allow the human race to die in the name of morality? Sure, unlikely scenario, and I'm quite damn sure someone could come up with another one, but the point is... things aren't necessarily crystal clear. Everything isn't black or white. Right or wrong.

No one, and I do mean no one (human at least) can prove right from wrong. Not even a believer. That's just it. They are a believer. Therefore right away, it is based off a belief system. Which cannot be proven. You cannot submit proofs whose foundations are beliefs.

Can I tell an Atheist rape is wrong? Yes. Can I prove it? No. Is it still justifiable to stop them, arrest them, or whatnot? Yes. Why? Because just like morality, what is just and what is not is based solely off of society. And society would agree, I think. If not, well then... I can still think it's just, but a police officer or judge certainly wouldn't agree.

What I am trying to say is... faith or no faith... morality is a concept, a belief in its own, and a rather varying one for that matter. So, no one can prove right from wrong, or if they even exist in the first place.

And saying Allah of Jesus or any other god distinctly created divine laws or a set of rules or boundaries which allowed us to know what is right and wrong just won't cut it... because it's BELIEF.

Proof cannot *ever* contain belief within it.

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[bmgll]

but what are you basing right and wrong on as a Christian I'm able to base it on gods character but how can you tell me you can know what right and wrong are if you have nothing to base your beliefs of not beliefs since i guess you have none but plus u think its ok for some teacher to have sex with kids well

I'm pretty sure it affects the kid and how are you gonna know who its gonna hurt of affect honestly if one of your friends committed suicide you be affected and wouldn't you be upset?

[provita]

@bmgll of course I would be upset! But does making someone upset make something immoral? Some would say, no, because of the ideas of free speech, open discourse, and political incorrectness. Some would say yes, because pf the idea of the golden rule and common decency. many would say somewhat, for it depends on the severity of the offense; for example, causing traumatic harm due to rape is wrong, but calling someone an asshole doesn't exactly call for the death penalty. But can that be proven?

[MangleMii]

hey guess what. News flash u cant prove wrong from right either dumb ass

[provita]

@MangleMii But I never said I could :)

[njoy456]

Okay look at this way. all im trying to say is this.... if you believe in ABSOLUTE morality you must believe in a God of some sort who gives those morals. you, an atheist, cannot call hitler or my theoritical world killer immoral. To do so would appeal to a trascending standard.... and IF you want to accept such a standard, you must accept something trascendent that gave it. if you don't accept God, then morality is ultimately meaningless. fair enough? if you

[provita]

That's just it though. I know that morality is an idea, is imperfect, and is not absolute. It's just a nice little thing we all cuddle to to make our lives... seem... "normal." That doesn't mean I don't like things remaining relatively moral. Besides, if I were to be immoral, chances are that eventually, things would tend to go badly for me. Whether it be lesser friends, a prison sentence, or death.

[PSCretin]

when i was a atheist, i believed that everything was opinion. i had my own morals.

[1tabligh]

How can the atheists delude themselve and believe that hydrogen and oxygen, electrons and protons, should first produce themselves, then be the source for all other beings, and finally decree the laws that regulate themselves and the rest of the material world?

[MangleMii]

sorry i didnt see the reply. And i didnt have my sound on. sorry

[eternaleye]

good well though out arguments without being a dick. kudos to you man

[josh19205]

Well i am christian but i don't want to convert you at all and i don't want to attack no one because i was atheist so i know how you guys feel. I got a question people say that the bible was created like 100 years ago and i just want to point this out. That is wrong look at the crusaders and they would kill you if you didn't believe in God or Jesus. And that was around the time of Jesus like 500 years after maybe 1000. I just wanted to throw that tricky question in. No offense tho like i said.

[ScrapGoldBass]

Ive watched allot of vids posted by Atheists lately. I must say that, even though I dont agree with Atheism, its refreshing to see an atheist vid that isnt ridiculing and calling theists stupid.