A Girl Scout Trans-Lation Response

GenderBlenders week 155
I came across this info and vid regarding the Girl Scouts and transgender girl members.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/11/girl-scout-cookie-boycott-transgende...

For Week 155 take a look at the video and the article, then share your response.

This week we talk about this video and article. It's very complex. Nomenclature is sometimes important. Notice the video carefully (or serendipitously) used the word Transgender and never Transsexual. The Transgender box also includes cross dressers and drag queens. While unlikely in this context, it did give her the "out" to allow her to exploit the fear of a "man in the ladies showers" aspect, as well as the issue of choice vs necessity. We all know our condition isn't a choice, and it is unlikely that the article had those in mind. Nevertheless...

Hope you enjoy our views.

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-Stephie ( http://www.youtube.com/conway7734 )
-Stephenie ( http://www.youtube.com/mytransinlife )

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[casanovabambi]

This whole debacle was in response to an eight year old (trans) girl being allowed into the Girl Scouts. I don't think any doctor is going to sign off for an eight year old to start hormone therapy--something that usually isn't started until it becomes necessary to stop the develop of incorrect secondary sex characteristics that would be incredibly distressing. If little boys can't be in the same bathroom as little girls, doesn't that say more about the sexualization of children than the child?

[MsMsmak]

@MyTransInLife Who's morals are you citing here? Is it selfish for a trans person to want to feel safe in a restroom or locker room? Would you direct a trans man to use a woman's locker room and subject themselves to being chased out and arrested? Would you subject a trans woman to the same issue, or abuse in a men locker room? Is that the moral argument you are making? Because THAT is the immoral thing to do.

[MsMsmak]

@MyTransInLife Again, are you advocating that trans men use the ladies locker room? Would you be comfortable with that (regardless of how they feel about it)?What you are suggesting is exactly the same treatment of trans people that bigots call out. You are, by definition, defining people by their genitals, and not how they live their lives. I honestly don't think you want to go there.

[MyTransInLife]

@MsMsmak Hun, I can certainly understand your lashing out at the uneducated bashers who lash out at what they do not except, selfishly. Though we should push for equal rights, we, as transsexuals, do not push immoral agendas, nor do we act out of selfishness. Ours is a moral desire for respect and acceptance without selfishness. I have been a Transsexual for over 50 years, as well as a Mentor and teacher of how to present ourselves. We work hard to correct ourselves and believe in morals.

[MsMsmak]

@MsMsmak and FWIW, this has everything to do with perceived gender, and not self identified gender. No one has the right to call someone out based on their percieved gender; because, as all trans people know, its not theirs to judge.

[MsMsmak]

@conway7734 Yes, it is. However, as a "moral" issue (as you call it), no one differentiates between those situations. You're essentially defending those people like the Tennessee legislative bigot who would stomp a trans person because of their "percieved" genitals.

So what you're suggesting is that pre op trans men use WOMANS LOCKER rooms. Really? Or that pre op trans women us MENS' LOCKER LOCKER rooms? REALLY?

[conway7734]

@MsMsmak There's a difference between locker facilities and mens or womens room. For restroom facilities, there is no casual nudity, and it is quite practical for trans people to use the facilities in peace, as they should be allowed to. In "intimate" situations, where there is routine nudity, or could be a problem with minors, well, that's a different kettle of fish.

[MsMsmak]

So in your view, trans men who haven't had a phalloplasy should still be in the womens room. Right.



[conway7734]

@PaintedRavensong Yeah. The desire word intrinically implies a choice; we don't have one. You are very right... these identifications are inherent in our very being and in any event, in many cases are life-or-death issues. Of course, the naysayers simply don't care about OUR life; just their own prejudice.

Hugs dear Mic,

[PaintedRavensong]

"Desiring" to be transsexual is just about as accurate as "desiring" to be gay. People just really do not have a clue how intrinsic these identifications are to our very being and life in many cases.