Isaiah 53 Debate pt2

Debate between a Jewish Scholar and an Evangelical Scholar about whether Jesus or someone else is referred to in Isaiah 53. Hosts on Cable ... all » Access also interject thoughts. deceived fulfilled biblical prophesy messiah jews true christians truth evidence history judaism religion history new covenant. Connection animal sacrifices God, Cain & Abel, Noah, Abraham, Moses, Passover, Yom Kippur, John the Baptist. Asham, trespass offering, human covenant, salvation, arm of Lord, shoresh root

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[3457lkande1]

He was is past not present.He was cut off HEe was taken away is talkins of past

[moabedom]

@3457lkande1 And then, in this same chapter of Isaiah 53:11,12 He lives again! " He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: ... for he shall bear their iniquities. Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he SHALL DIVIDE the spoil with the strong; because he hath POURED OUT his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors." NOTE: IN ORDER TO DIVIDE SPOIL HE'S ALIVE!

[moabedom]

@rakovsky Agreed

[moabedom]

@rakovsky Agreed.

[moabedom]

The Talmud ALSO identified the Messiah with this Servant!!!!!!! (Sanh 98b)::

"What is his [the Messiah's] name? — The School of R. Shila said: His name ...Others say: His name is Menahem the son of Hezekiah,for it is written, Because Menahem [‘the comforter’ ], that would relieve my soul, is far. The Rabbis said: His name is ‘the leper scholar,’ as it is written, Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him a leper, smitten of God, and afflicted. [Soncino]

[moabedom]

@moabedom In 1909, under the rule of the Czars, before Russia had any significance in world power, C. I. Scofield commented; "That the primary reference is to the northern (European) powers, headed up by Russia, all agree....The reference to Meshech and Tubal (Moscow and Tobolsk) is a clear mark of identification. Russia and the northern powers have been the latest persecutors of dispersed Israel."

[moabedom]

@moabedom It says that Meshech & Tubal are allied WITH Iran (38:3-5 note "with them") If you carefully study the origin of the words Meshech & Tubal you will find that they stand for the areas of Moscow & Tobolsk. Russia is also the country to the "north" of Israel from which they come (39:2).

[moabedom]

@rakovsky In Ezek. 38:1 thru 39:7 (Emphasizing 39:7 after you've started reading at 38:1) - 39:7 - God says He will make Himself known to Israel by destroying the Mesheck/Tubal armies along with Iran & Libya + northern Africa AFTER they attack regathered israel! So they are clearly regathered BEFORE they are attacked & then after God destroys them, He says in 39:7 " So will I make my holy name known in the midst of my people Israel..." BY DESTROYING the attackers He makes His name known!

[moabedom]

@rakovsky Since God knows the ancestry of every Jew living in Israel today, God knows which of the 12 tribes they each came from! Yes, mankind does not know which tribes they came from, but God does!