They're Back! This time... Here in Iowa!

We've seen this before.

Out of state groups are using their money and influence to attack the freedom to marry in Iowa. The same groups who spent millions to pass Prop. 8 in California are now spending their money in Iowa to spread the same lies!

Please sign our petition opposing the use of out of state money to attack the rights of Iowans at http://eqfed.org/campaign/marriagepetition!

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[manny4life]

"I'm a California doctor who must choose between my faith, and my job."

What the are you a doctor for, then? Doctors are supposed to do their job and keep their personal beliefs at home. Idiots.

[GreysSuperFan1001]

This ad makes me sick. Disgusting, low political advertisement.

[DreamToriDream]

Thank you for the original!

[CelticVictory]

This is such a great ad and is much better than the crappy parody videos that are out there.

[jdlund]

@blackplatypus, With the clothing, I was just going off of the Jewish prohibition against "Shatnez." I myself am not Jewish, so I admit my knowledge is limited there, but I think they take it as only wool and linen being a problem.

Anyway, thanks for the extended religious discussion. Even though I am not religious at all (just grew up that way), I rather enjoyed that.

[jdlund]

@blackplatypus, I think my problem with the coveting within capitalism is that it would be difficult to not ascribe that attribute to any system. Coveting is simply an exceptionally common characteristic of all people. I do get your point that capitalism's focus on private control and ownership ultimately leads to increased mass consumption, I just don't know that it is required per se.

[jdlund]

@blackplatypus, I do get your point when it comes to Christmas trees. I get that it does derive from earlier pagan rituals that would clearly be covered by Judeo-Christian notions of idol worship. And yeah if I was a fundamentalist I might agree with the argument. Not that I believe in any of this anyway, but just as a kind of literary interpretation, from my view, even if X-mas trees derive from something that might be prohibited, they aren't in and of themselves idol worship.

[blackplatypus]

@jdlund

As for capitalism, fair enough, it merely precludes consumerism but I'm not aware of any capitalist economy that runs solely on labour seeing as a market and consumer goods are inseperable.

KJV DT 22:11 "Thou shalt not wear a garment of divers sorts, as of woollen and linen together."

I took it as wool and linen being an example. But one could even take is as "don't wear clothing of diverse sorts as you do of wool and linen" which would exclude all except a wool/linen mixture.

[blackplatypus]

@jdlund Many Pagan cultures used to cut boughs of evergreen trees in December, move them into the home or temple, and decorate them...

Are you saying that the reason it's a bad translation is because the Christians adopted this practice for their idol and not the pagan's? Because that's really not specified in deuteronomy... it just says not to adopt their practices.

Kosher laws: point taken.

[jdlund]

@blackplatypus, kosher laws do not apply to Christians, the New Testament makes that clear. Most health concerns motivating the laws were already outdated by the writing of the NT.

-Romans 14:14

-Acts 10 (9-15)

-Mark 7:19

-Acts 10:14-16; 1 Cor 10:23-27

-Romans 4-6

-Gal 2:11-12

As per Capitalism, no private ownership does not somehow *require* coveting anything. You are confusing Capitalism with Consumerism.

And per Jewish beliefs it really is just wool and linen that's the problem.

[jdlund]

@blackplatypus, it's a bad interpretation because it is speaking specifically of idol worship. A christmas tree isn't an idol. It's a bad interpretation because obviously it is not literally talking about Christmas Trees because they didn't exist yet. So then you have to ask do Christmas Trees somehow fit what that passage is really going after? And the answer is very clearly no. Decorating a tree and putting presents under it isn't idol worship. It's a bad interpretation.

[blackplatypus]

@jdlund

"If the person you were responding to is a Christian, kosher laws explicitly do not apply,"

Yes... I'm well aware that most Christians just arbitrarily decide which old testament laws count and which don't. But, if I'm not mistaken, Jesus specifically says during the sermon on the mount that not a jot nor tittle of the law shall be changed. Could provide chapter & verse for where kosher laws are abrogated?

And a capitalist economy *requires* coveting your neighbour's goods. ie. trade