PERMACULTURE vs SOIL EROSION in Tuscany (PT1)

John Button highlights the fact that intensive agricultural is destroying the Tuscan hill sides by causing land erosion on a massive scale. On the featured site it is clearly visible that one meter of soil has quite simply disappeared in only 20 years. I'll add some more info when I get time.

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• Permaculture
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• soil
• erosion
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• industrial
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• Tuscany
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• Gimignano
• Manorgrande

[hananokuni2580]

Looks like I got ahead of myself there ^^; I'm gonna go watch Geoff Lawton's Introduction to Permaculture video. I should find it highly informative.

Also, permaculture is a system that tends towards democratic social paradigms. Wouldn't this conflict with the centuries-old social hierarchy found in Tuscany and elsewhere in Italy? This might be one thing that can make PC a bit difficult to digest for the audience in question.

[wot4]

@hananokuni2580 Geoff Lawton is doing some fantastic work with Permaculture, seems to be "the chosen one" who has taken over from Bill Mollison, check out The Permaculture research institute of Australia. PC is in harmony with nature but is certainly not in harmony with the greed ridden capitalist economy or the mafia masonic tuscan regime.

[hananokuni2580]

It is possible to restore Tuscan and other Italian soils to their former state, but it has to start with one person or one family. In the long run, if a permaculture initiative is successful, the neighbors will take notice and want to find out more. (Word of mouth.) As long as a VIABLE alternative exists, there is hope.

Also, the practice of plowing & planting in furrows dates back to the Romans (and so is traditional in Italy), so it will not disappear overnight.

[wot4]

@hananokuni2580 I'm sorry but I don't share your optiism. The local authorities are not in the slightest bit interested in Permanent sustainable agriculture. Certainly the old style of farming, from Etruscan times up until the 1960's, was sustainable, but the farmers had to hand over at least 50% of their crops to the parasite aristocratic land owners. Since then Tuscany has slipped from being the Granducato into the Granmaleducato, with the aristocrats now busy laundering mafia funds.

[hananokuni2580]

@wot4 I must admit that the above mentioned is true. (Handing over 50% or more of your harvest to the landlord was and is also very common in Latin America. This is a common characteristic of the latifundia system, which is a kind of industrial agriculture.)

Any permaculture initiative will have to be a private affair. (Maybe easier said than done.) Getting the local nobility and mafiosi to see the value thereof is something else ^^;

[wot4]

@hananokuni2580 well "the workers" are always going to get shafted one way or another, parasite bankers or parasite land owners. But on the Spiritual side Hermes Trismegistus is just down the road on the floor of Siena cathedral, I like to think of him as the "Daddy of Permaculture" Giordano Bruno as an early pioneer. Tuscany is certainly the most masonic region in Italy perhaps it might be possible to distract the masons from their mafia money laundering, and get them into PC !!!

[DJSeabram]

I wonder if we can exchange some experience. We work under tropical rainforest conditions, but your experience would be interesting for us. See our videos, maybe this is something interesting for you too. Thanks for all the information you have on your videos. Greetings - Chilis from the forest - DaMata

[hananokuni2580]

@wot4 Which is why I ended up confirming your earlier statement. In Tuscany and elsewhere in Italy PC would probably have to begin as a counterculture - much like Christianity when it first arrived in that country. It can become widespread, but it will take time.

I have been watching Geoff Lawton's material for a while now. Super informative! Now if I can only muster up the money to register for a PDC... I feel like a woman dying of romantic anticipation when I learn about it ^v^

[hananokuni2580]

@wot4 You've just turned on a light (in my brain) ^^ Love of high learning is a masonic tradition. PC, believe it or not, is a highly scientific, not merely a "hippie fad". Emphasizing this fact might be the key to success. (The money launderers will soon find that PC is powerful in more ways than one.)

Which makes me wonder, wouldn't it be best for PC in Tuscany to get its start in a monastery? From there it can spread - albeit at snail's pace.

[Snurdgerbly]

Where's part 2?