@jostopholees Ok bro, I’m just going to agree to disagree. This is clearly going nowhere. Heyward is a stud, and is the better player right now, but Brown has all the tools to be great in time, including his discipline at the plate. I’m happy to have him on the Phils, and Braves fans should be happy to have Heyward. I'm leaving it at that.
@hembull04 Ahh, the resorting to comparing what one player who has been firmly established to someone else argument. Sure sign of someone with NO argument.
Also, FYI, attempting to discredit the "philly fan so you know nothing" argument while at the same time showing you know nothing doesn't strengthen your already non-existent argument.
@jostopholees Yeah kind of like Utley who had a near 2.0 K/BB ratio in his first 1900+ pro PAs? Real hacker there, boy he just has no discipline. Obviously he can improve (as most 23 year olds can), but a hacker? Please. Also FYI, playing the "philly fan so you know nothing" card really doesn't strengthen your argument.
@hembull04 So 186 plate appearances is a better indication of a player than 256? I mean I get it, you're philly fan and no one expects any knowledge of the game from your kind, but that's no reason to resort to idiocy in defending your precious. Brown, prior to your precious 186 plate appearances this year has been a hacker. 1960 pro PA with a 1.7 K to BB ratio, but yeah, a quarter of a season is a better judge.
Try to know what you are talking about if you are going to respond in the future
@jostopholees So his 186 plate appearances in 2011 are some small sample size, but his 256 career plate appearances are plenty to judge by? I get it, you're a Brown hater, but at least know what you're talking about and criticize something that he actually struggles with, rather than making asinine statements like "he's a hacker."
@jostopholees I'm going to go out on a limb and say that his 2011 numbers, in which he has gotten regular at bats as a starter, are more representative of his talent than 2010 when he was called up late in the year and played sporadically as a pinch hitter. He struggled in 2010 but has clearly made a vast improvement this year - you're apparently too dense to see that and you definitely aren't watching him play.
@jostopholees 2011 stats. Also I didn't say Brown was better. I said to call him undisciplined is idiotic, his patience one of the things he has been complimented on. He sees more pitches per plate appearance than Heyward. Clearly you don't watch him play.
@jostopholees Ok bro, I’m just going to agree to disagree. This is clearly going nowhere. Heyward is a stud, and is the better player right now, but Brown has all the tools to be great in time, including his discipline at the plate. I’m happy to have him on the Phils, and Braves fans should be happy to have Heyward. I'm leaving it at that.
hembull04 7 months ago
@hembull04 Ahh, the resorting to comparing what one player who has been firmly established to someone else argument. Sure sign of someone with NO argument.
Also, FYI, attempting to discredit the "philly fan so you know nothing" argument while at the same time showing you know nothing doesn't strengthen your already non-existent argument.
jostopholees 7 months ago
@jostopholees Yeah kind of like Utley who had a near 2.0 K/BB ratio in his first 1900+ pro PAs? Real hacker there, boy he just has no discipline. Obviously he can improve (as most 23 year olds can), but a hacker? Please. Also FYI, playing the "philly fan so you know nothing" card really doesn't strengthen your argument.
hembull04 7 months ago
@hembull04 So 186 plate appearances is a better indication of a player than 256? I mean I get it, you're philly fan and no one expects any knowledge of the game from your kind, but that's no reason to resort to idiocy in defending your precious. Brown, prior to your precious 186 plate appearances this year has been a hacker. 1960 pro PA with a 1.7 K to BB ratio, but yeah, a quarter of a season is a better judge.
Try to know what you are talking about if you are going to respond in the future
jostopholees 7 months ago
@jostopholees So his 186 plate appearances in 2011 are some small sample size, but his 256 career plate appearances are plenty to judge by? I get it, you're a Brown hater, but at least know what you're talking about and criticize something that he actually struggles with, rather than making asinine statements like "he's a hacker."
hembull04 7 months ago
@hembull04 I'm going to go out on a limb and say that his career numbers are more indicative of his ability rather than some small sample size.
Let me know when he is able to get his avg above .250
jostopholees 7 months ago
@jostopholees I'm going to go out on a limb and say that his 2011 numbers, in which he has gotten regular at bats as a starter, are more representative of his talent than 2010 when he was called up late in the year and played sporadically as a pinch hitter. He struggled in 2010 but has clearly made a vast improvement this year - you're apparently too dense to see that and you definitely aren't watching him play.
hembull04 7 months ago
@hembull04 What part of a 2 to 1 k to bb ratio is confusing to you?
jostopholees 7 months ago
@jostopholees 2011 stats. Also I didn't say Brown was better. I said to call him undisciplined is idiotic, his patience one of the things he has been complimented on. He sees more pitches per plate appearance than Heyward. Clearly you don't watch him play.
hembull04 7 months ago
@hembull04 Funny, I see brown as having 28 bb to 53 k's for a nearly 1/2 bb ratio.
What is the argument for brown being better, again?
jostopholees 7 months ago