L'Oeil du Cyclone "Légèrement Destroy" 3/6

L'Oeil du Cyclone "Légèrement Destroy" (1998)
Spécial punk français.
Partie 3: Les punks à la télé

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[Westonelm]

@gillesnewwave

There are many who think that UK punk is a manic 3 chord thrash.....yet "The Clash" later (1979 "London Calling") were influenced by rockabilly, reggae, ska and hard rock...... "The Jam" by the Mods .....and "The Stranglers" (in 1977) ....even though they denied being punk at the time but were classified as such by the press.......had a psychedelic tinge here and there with that organ!

[Westonelm]

@gillesnewwave

cLlaren after the New York Dolls had split drove with Sylvain from Florida to New Orleans in a hired station wagon and promptly caught VD from a prostitute ....deciding then to return to London and his Kings Road clothing business.

McLaren promised Sylvain that he would find him a replacement band in London .Sylvain loaned his Les Paul guitar and an electric piano to pay for McLaren's return ticket and the rest is history!

[gillesnewwave]

Mc Laren a vu New York Dolls à NYC dès 76. il a organisé leur première tournée en UK. de là, il a voulu créer un equivalent anglais; il a casté un groupe ..... comme un "boys band" !!!??!!! ce groupe s'appelle Sex Pistols.

le punk a l'anglaise est majoritairement d'inspiration américaine, influencé par ce que les americains d'ailleurs ont toujours appelé punk rock. des détails pris aux francais, aux situationistes oui..... mais mc laren n'avait pas besoin de nous pour mener son business à bien.

[Westonelm]

@gillesnewwave

....et c'est vrai que Elli Medeiros avec ses épingles à nourrice a rencontré Malcolm Mclaren dans un magasin de disques à Paris.......et par la suite Stinky Toys était invité à Londres oû ils ont joué avec le matos du Clash. Ces épingles à nourrice étaient, donc, ajouté au look punk.

[Westonelm]

@gillesnewwave

......... et ce qui est drôle c'est que Malcolm Mclaren voulait appeler le mouvement "nouvelle vague / new wave" mais Marc Zermati a gagné avec le nom "punk". Le punk était un ménage à trois ---Londrès Paris et New York ..... côté idées et musique.

[gillesnewwave]

and this is why peole who keep talking about punk get on my nerves. can t remember which Clash or Pistols guy said recently "in 77, punk, it was 70 people in london". period.

i agree : punk is important. no Joy Div, no Sonic Youth, no Siouxsie, no nothing. but historically the invention of fuzz switch pedal effect is (FOR EXAMPLE) as important as punk in history or rock n roll. which to the scale of rock n roll history is just comma....... sorry.

here i m more answering to "heebooh"

[gillesnewwave]

i know all of that. the Mt de Marsan in 76 (ian curtis was there with Deborah, his fiancée), the safety-pin Mc Laren took fromm elli meideiros outfit...... but still punk is a brit thing ! it is something marketed by Mc Laren (based on US garage/punk-rock fo rthe english and european market.

now if you re talking about Rough Trade, Factory etc that is not punk ! that is after punk. which makes a big difference.

BUT punk is sthg that sparkle a new wave of bands w. a new attitude & a new sound.

[Westonelm]

@gillesnewwave

Punk was important because it revitalised the music scene and its popularity created many independent record labels. It was exciting in its context, not just visually and lyrically but a return to the short, sharp, raw sound of rock .....simply delivered but spontaneous and refreshing. In the UK regional accents returned to music.(Many Brits sang with slight American accents previously.)

[Westonelm]

@gillesnewwave Rough Trade's very first release (1977) was by Métal Urbain ("Pamik" and “Lady Coca-Cola") and Jello Biafra (he Dead Kennedys) said

'I loved the screaming synth noises and the pissed-off French lyrics. I could not understand the French, but it completely destroyed the idea that the French could not rock because the language did not fit the music. Now French was a fiery punk weapon."

[Westonelm]

@gillesnewwave

France was more influential than you might think.

Malcolm McLaren (London)and Tony Wilson (Manchester), went to France to look for revolutionary ideas strengthened by the Situationist movement. The Lettrist movement (started in France) had its impact also (on the Clash for example and how they 'looked" ---- graffiti on their clothes. The very first punk festival was in France --Mont de Marsan (1976)