Special Witnesses of Christ (5)

The First Presidency and Quorum of the 12 Apostles of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints bear witness of the divinity of Jesus

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[Ahashdah]

Elder Perry has to be careful, there, that he doesn't "do a Dunn" (meaning, to make himself out to be a hero, just like that lying dufus Paul H. Dunn did).

Does anyone under 40 yrs of age, here, remember Dunn, I wonder? I will bet that most of you younger people do NOT remember him: The Brethren--caught with their pants down--first rushed in, to sweep the glaring allegations of Dunn's collective perfidies under the rug; and, when that failed, they swept old Dunn, himself, right under that rug..

[keltontrey]

@Ahashdah Wow, seriously? Could you contribute anything of substance?

[bsquatch]

One more thing. You said Gods plan for us. I didn't know someone had my life planned out for me, that's disturbing, wasn't that satans plan in the begining?

[keltontrey]

Yeah, God rolled the dice and said "that will do" no one said anything about predestination at the hand of God. Gods plan involves creating an environment where his children can make choices. They can be influenced but not coerced by any side.

[bsquatch]

I don't get it. We kill the Japanese (God's children) then help them re-build a church. It sounds a bit perverted to me. Onward christian soldiers marching off to war etc.... What a perverted Lizard, far from a hero or anyone with any amount of discernment. What a crock of shit! I heard his testimony, but why did this guy join the marines to kill his brothers and sisters?

[keltontrey]

You lack perspective. If LIFE was the most important endeavor in Gods plan for us he'd never let us die. So obviously there is something more important than preserving life. Gods plan is about progression and righteousness. Why did God cast out 1/3 the hosts of heaven.. essentially killing them. They were our brothers as well. You don't join to kill you join to preserve a way of life. Apparently you believe Japan would be in a better spot under a monarchy.

[Ahashdah]

In other words, since L. Tom Perry is a "typical" LDS apostle without a special witness of Christ (as opposed to the ancient apostles who were ACTUAL witnesses of Christ, both before and after the latter's resurrection), then the only thing L. Tom has to "grab onto" is his less-than-stellar military record. And, this would put him into the same category as that lack-luster General Authority (who The Brethren put out to pasture): Elder Paul H. Dunn

Paul who?

That's the point, exactly!

[Ahashdah]

@dvdleek In RE: Apostles as special witnesses of [the name of] Christ. This sounds like revisionist thinking, in the Chruch. If I say that 45 years ago the members actually expected that the apostles each had had a special witness of Christ, then you would call me a liar, for so saying. The present-day wording is the church's "loophole" for this revisionist thinking.

Anciently, however, the Twelve indeed WERE special witnesses of Christ: having seen Him, on occasion, after The Resurrection.

[Ahashdah]

@bsquatch Your comment is 2 years old, but I find that you didn't go far enough...beyond the killing....to the institutional hypocrisy, within the corporate hierarchy of the LDS Chruch. keltontrey will note, I hope, that Pres. Heber J. Grant told all good soldier boys to obey the 12th Article of Faith, in wartime. He--Grant--even told the German-Austrian "district president" (because Europe was divided into districts, at the time) to have the good German Saints obey, honor, & sustain Hitler.

[Saint9474]

A very touching video, thank you for posting.

[martinh103]

12 people in the quorum, 12 signs of the zodiac. 1 + 1 = 2 .

[ke7ejx]

Elder Perry is one of my favourite Apostles. He is such a wonderful man and role model. God bless you!

[dvdleek]

You are incorrect about Apostles being "sepcial witness of Christ."

Reference 2009 Gospel Principles Manual Chapter 17:

Twelve Apostles, who are special witnesses of "the name of Jesus Christ," teach the gospel and regulate the affairs of the Church in all parts of the world

D & C 107:23

23 The twelve traveling councilors are called to be the Twelve Apostles, or special witnesses of the name of Christ in all the world"