Chang Dong Sheng (3)

Close up footage of Chang Dong Sheng demonstrating in Taipei.

Category:

Sports

Tags:

• shuai
• jiao
• wrestling
• chinese
• martial
• arts

[hawkfist69]

The reason why groundfighting isn't addressed in Shuai Jiao in the same level as bjj its because; 1)its shuai jiao, and its a grappling throwing 2)its main purpose is to destroy break bones on the throws as well as injure ligaments and joints on the grabs. Therefore ground fighting wouldn't be as necessary as BJJ whose main task is to get to the ground. Shuai Jiao is perhaps the oldest martial in China. Composed of strikes, kicks, empty hand and weapon forms it is a complete art form.

[blackjamm]

Actually, they did. Old school wrestlers - as in, the Qing dynasty and before - were proper martial artists, who fought properly, against strikers. All Chinese martial arts include at least some throwing and grappling, and they were all used to fight properly. Plenty of wrestlers were bodyguards as well, which was something that demanded high skill in fighting.

[bangermccrusher]

oh please dont tell me some bjj fan is bashing shuai jiao....go watch ufc if you dont like this

[MuSiGee]

In a real combat there are no mats, just concrete, asphalt and compacted ground which has no give. Although I am not a Shuai Chaio practitioner, you can see people fail to realize that in real combat safety valves in practice are removed, like holding onto the guy when he is thrown. The idea is no amount of punch can equal be slammed on the ground that has no recoil. Also, when you manipulate the joint for the throw, for real fights you are intending to seperate or break it.

[katsura1982]

@hawkfist69 yeah, my shifu (a student of Chang Dong Sheng himself) always stresses the fact that landing people safely is a courtesy during shuai jiao practice and that in actual usage you are supposed to pike people's heads into the ground. the only "groundfighting" that you should do after a throw is stomping on people. anything else is counter to the point of martial arts which is to protect yourself, not fight a fair fight.

[aliveoutloud]

@newaza2boddha It's interesting that most chinese arts today have a sporting component. But if you ever have an encounter with a true suai jiao practitioner you'll quickly learn that no amount of experience breaking falls will help when confronted wit the speed and devastating power of the throws. Suai Jiao is meant to "turn the spine to dust" I've known highly skilled fighters who are turned off by the brutality of it as bizarre as that seems

[Foreverof1]

lol guys hawkfist is right and it is designed to break bones, sport fighting or tournament fighting is different then self defense shuai jiao same principle but certain things are not aloud

[quanjiahao87]

Read a little more about people who have done Judo and switched over to Shuai Chiao. Where do you think Judo comes from originally?

[PeeteyP]

I would be very happy to learn of a a traditional art that surpasses wresting or Tai Chi.

[paullywalnuts2]

word........................

[newaza2boddha]

i doubt it. Because shuai jiao is often fought on shuai jiao ring for entertainment, if their throw is intended to cause injury....then the shuai jiao artists won't last long to make money from their performance.

If done upon an untrained person, it will cause injury. But done upon anyone train in grappling the throws can't cause injury if they break fall...... (ofcox if your sinister enough to do a bad throw...landing someone on their head....anyone can get hurt... ..)