Ali G talking with David Starkey on 'Language'

Ali G & Starkey D, indahouse... respek..!

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• david
• starkey
• bbc
• newsnight
• london
• riots
• 2011
• black
• white
• rap
• racist
• racial
• ali
• sacha
• baron
• cohen
• culture

[dravidr007]

SUPERB! 

[moonboots69]

@dravidr007 glad you like it..

sadly most people in the UK seem to have forgotten that what David Starkey said recently, Sacha Baron Cohen had already observed 10yrs previous & made £millions of it through 'Ali G'

lets wake some more ppl up..? eh....?

[nsecchi1]

Actually David Starkey has turned red. It's the whites and blacks against the reds these days.

[57worldwide]

@DancinJim Starkey was far from fair and biased, though. 'Turn off the screen, it sounds like a White person'. That's just total bullshit. Like I have said on other videos, if it was really down to the music, then the youth in Greece wouldn't listen to rap music, would they?

His argument is the same as 'Rock and Roll is corrupting our youth'. Don't ignore everything else just to reinforce a biased, unfair opinion.

[57worldwide]

@DancinJim From wikipedia: 'Jamaican Standard and Jamaican Patois exist together in a post-creole speech continuum. Creole is used by most people for everyday, informal situations - it's the language most Jamaicans use at home and are most familiar with; it's also the language of most local popular music. Standard, on the other hand, is the language of education, high culture, government, the media and official/formal communications.'

I get your point though.

[DancinJim]

@57worldwide You seem to be mistaken. Jamaicans can usually speak English, but amongst themselves they actually communicate in their own language. I know someone who was born and raised in Jamaica and I know that is a fact. I find it so odd that you don't get that the reason he has to oversimplify is so that the masses understand. He's on TV. He has to put his point across quickly, succinctly and give a soundbite. Seriously, you can't really understand how anything works if you don't get that!

[57worldwide]

@DancinJim You jest? Jamaicans speak English. You can't seriously believe Jamaican language was not influenced by British colonialism... Can you?

Jamaican culture is not synonymous with African culture, or African American culture - just like German culture is not synonymous with British culture, or French culture. Anyone who uses terms like 'Black race' or 'White culture' are oversimplifying.

Jamaicans have lived in Britain for decades. There are British who understand, possibly not you.

[DancinJim]

@57worldwide It's not me who is being ignorant (such an easy word to throw around, and often used by those who are guilty of it). I am saying black culture as that is precisely what it is - a black culture. Jamaican culture is black; and in no way is this language anything like what we currently speak in Britain. You can try to argue it is influenced by Britain, but it's a ridiculous arguement, as no British people would recognise it! It's so obvious it's painful. Yet you just pussyfoot around.

[MissBelleBrune]

The "blacks" in this generation refuse to be pushed around as their ancestors but the "whites" refuse this as they want to dictate+rule all creatures.

we must also notice that not all "whites" want to oppress the "blacks" as some of them have come to their senses. They know, but ignore the fact that the "whites", the upper class and the old took part in this riot, and choose to blame the "blacks" instead.

When you marginalize people, won't they retaliate?

-CLASSIC CASE OF IGNORANCE!

[57worldwide]

@DancinJim It happened in more than the last generation, 'innit'. Cockney slang...

You're being ignorant if you think problems of society have stemmed from 'Black culture'. What about hooliganism? How many football hooligans were Black, 15 years ago?

You're even saying Black culture instead of what is in most cases Jamican culture; the language from Jamaica was first influenced by the British. So get the fuck out, with the bullshit about 'Black culture having a profound effect'.

[DancinJim]

@57worldwide British society is being drastically changed and that black culture's influence (in all its guises) is having a profound effect on it. Did our kids of today get this language form Wordsworth? No? Shakespeare? No. Even J.K. Rowling?! NO! Hell, they didn't even get it from a rock n roll star! It's a new phenomenon, that isn't just from musical personas, but also from everyday life on the streets. It all happened in the last decade, thanks to the Labour government.

[57worldwide]

@DancinJim So I cherry picked that one part, and it has nothing to do with 'Whites becoming Black'?

I was under the impression that the music is what had corrupted any innocent Whites who had been pulled down into 'Black culture'.

Perhaps when you hear an educated/articulate man speaking, you think of a White man. I don't. I happen to believe someone who thinks in the manner I described, is biased. The whole 'rap in Greece' thing was because Greece has a low crime rate. Due to music, obviously.

[DancinJim]

@57worldwide No, he was unbiased. He was presenting his take on the current state of British youth culture, using his wealthy of knowledge and experience. If you don't like his opinion, that's your call. But he's not biased, he just happens to think that way. He was right - if you turned off the screen, you would imagine a white person. Not sure where you're going with the rap in Greece thing... doesn't make sense. His arguement is not restricted to music. You simply have cherry-picked one part.

[221Dw]

@loof000 Yes a fair bit of contribution is from being poorer, like poorer white people tend to be worse too and commit more crime.

However the culture, like thug gansta rapping whatever exactly its called only compounds this problem, it actually praises negative values and there may be many blacks who might be on the edge and get sucked into the culture which glamorises negative behaviors and attitudes. Had they been brought up to have a better mental attitude they could have succeeded.