Great War. Series 7 - From the Dnieper to the Oder. part 5 of 5

part 7, 5-5 From the Dnieper to the Oder. English subtitles are available. (CC button)
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[brocalfur]

Part 7 of the series is somewhat disappointing...there was enough stuff to make 4 sequences instead of one:

1. Dnjepr crossing, Battle for the bridgeheads and liberation of Kiev

2. Crimea and Sevastopol (since 1941) is missing entirely

3. Dnjepr-Carpathian operation (not only that f**in Korsun battle)

4. Iasi-Kishinyev operation, Balkans and Hungary

[38602]

@brocalfur

i know, that authors of this doc.film now work on second part. May be they will include this episodes.

[cernismirt]

He is right, for example type "Battlefield II The Battle of the Crimea Ep8 World War" its a Discovery channel documentary, also there is the movie "Cross of Iron" about the retreat of the Wehrmacht. The Americans have done more to honor the defenders of the Kryma than the Russians who made this documentaries.

Even in the battle of Leningrad, there is no mention of the Karelian Front and the "continuation war" with the Finns, Vyborg–Petrozavodsk offensive and the battle of Tali-Ihantala in 44.

[permyak59]

@cernismirt

It's just one documentaries, we plenty of them, but they all in russian language.

Pity (

[SlaponeIllizium]

@clovenrick2 lol you're denying facts. America recieved payment in gold/platinum/goods for lend lease. And marshal plan was not to just help the poor europeans rebuild - it was to stop the spread of communism on them. Jeez you're the one biased with propaganda. reaserch the stuff then accuse other ppl ffs.

[SlaponeIllizium]

@gmdyt1 problem is that usa did lend lease for money. You were making money on our common war with germans. Taking to account the ammount of russians dead you could have given your goods for free, for life is a far higher cost, but yet you wanted payment. So russians feel that lend lease was fucked up since you got money off your allies while fighting the same enemy together. I belive that it is shameful of you to account lend lease, because it was payed not only by our blood but money too.

[SlaponeIllizium]

@gmdyt1 Munuch pact. read it. acknowledge the fact that allies were such bitches that soviets had pretty much no other choise than to fuck them up with the same methods. But we did not thwart an honorable treaty like uk&fr did, we didn't have much in common with the poles. We were at war with them for hundreds of years, so fucking up their country wasn't betrayal - it was a thing we really wanted. Unlike UK/France who really betrayed their ally Chzekoslovakia and let their country be cut up.

[MrCastanha1972]

bem feito e bem instrutivo

[kaplich]

@gmdyt1

and I'm Russian by birth

[kaplich]

@gmdyt1

BTW I'm from USA, NJ.

[kaplich]

@kaplich

Please believe me Russians knows history very well from different standpoints. Because 20 century was really hard time for this country. We watch tons of old school movies (USSR+USA) and new movies (Russia+USA) about that time. A lot of Russians immigrated to another countries (millions) since 1990 by different reason (political and economical) and they also can see other nations' point of views at place. So, it is not so easy to fool Russians by any type of propaganda anymore.

[kaplich]

@gmdyt1

> 3) Russia was not an aggressor

This is your impression only. The movie covers only certain events of WW2 but not all of them. Of course Russians acknowledged about Poland invasion and Finland war.

[kaplich]

@gmdyt1

> 1) the red army was all conquering & did not make mistakes (!)

at the beginning of the movie it's clearly said that there were a lot of mistakes and a lot of losses because of these mistakes...

> 2) The superior soviet system & sacrifice of the workers produced all Russia needed.

actually the movie did not cover any questions related to army provision neither from the side of soviet factories not from USA

[gmdyt1]

@kaplich But my whole point is that the whole documentary is infused with propaganda & politics, namely the official soviet history of the war! Eg..1) the red army was all conquering & did not make mistakes (!) 2) The superior soviet system & sacrifice of the workers produced all Russia needed. 3) Russia was not an aggressor (never in a pact with nazi germany) & responded only when attacked.