Reason and creationism

Do reason and creationism ever intersect? What reasons do creationists cite in explaining their beliefs? Genie Scott examines how "reason" is misunderstood and misused by creationists. When: 4/15/2012. Where: Global Atheist Convention, Melbourne, Australia

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[James Fraser]

Woah, what the hell are you on? How much bathsalts have you imbibed.

[torrid426]

Creationism grasping for whatever twisted story doesn't prove their book wrong is getting annoying.

How about creationism come out with some actual facts to prove their claims.

[Algahiem]

Reason and creationism? You might as well be talking about oil and water.

[elcanijo84]

wow! Just put a woman's Birthyear on the intro. 1945! 

[devmorfo]

There are no contradictions when we are talking about unproved assertions. Again ... the question remains why believe that a god exists ?

[1tabligh]

The real question is why believe that god exists ?

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Then how can it be supposed that belief in the existence of God is the acceptance of contradiction, whereas belief in the uncaused nature of an effect such as matter is not contradictory?

[devmorfo]

The universe origins questions are irrelevant. We don't know the first cause yet, and all we have is scientific and theological assertions without evidence. The real question is why believe that god exists ?

[1tabligh]

Since the chain of causality cannot recede into infinity, they can answer only that matter is an eternal and timeless entity for which no beginning can be posited: matter is non-created, has no beginning or end, and its being arises from within its own nature.

This means that the materialists accept the principle of eternity and non-origination; they believe that all things arose out of eternal matter and that being arises from within the very nature of matter, without any need for a creator.

[munstrumridcully]

Prove it. There is no god, and muhammed is not his prophet, Lord Krishna told me through divine revelation. Without using empirical, scientific evidence and standards to test these assertions, mine is JUST as valid as yours. The sad thing is, the Islamic world was once a shining light of science and learning during the caliphates, before your imbecilic kind replaced knowledge with ignorance and reason with superstition.

[1tabligh]

What is called science by the *science-worshippers* of the present age and regarded by them as equivalent to the sum total of *reality*, is simply a collection of laws applicable to a single dimension of the world. The result of all human effort and experimentation is a body of knowledge concerning a minute bright dot comparable to the dim light of a candle-surrounded by a dark night enveloping a huge desert of indefinite extent.

All praise is due to ALLAH, the Lord of the Universe.

[munstrumridcully]

Um, ALL scientific facts can be tested through sensory perception. That is what empirical MEANS. I can say with as much evidence and validity that christ is the true god, or krishna, or Zuess, if such supernaturalism exists on another plane, you can't know anything about it. If you claim that this plane can transfer information to our own, then it would be TESTABLE to our sense.