P&T Bullshit!-The Death Penalty Part 1

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[Bhikshu2]

@55Freya

A white defendant is more likely to get the benefit of the doubt, more likely to be given a plea agreement, more likely to be able to afford a good lawyer (Poverty has a strong racial component! WHO KNEW?), and more likely to avoid a conviction. It must be pretty easy to ignore racism when you've stuck your fingers in your ears and taped your eyes shut to the very much true fact that the practice is alive and well today.

[Bhikshu2]

@55Freya

Bravo! In the spirit of all true conservative thinkers, you take someone else's words, twist them, and then lie to make the other person look bad. Bloody fucking brilliant. Am I saying blacks don't commit crimes? No, that would be stupid. Am I saying that it's a whole lot easier, when a prosecutor is under pressure, to 'sell' a black defendant to a jury than a white one? Yes. And don't give me bullshit about how I'm racist for being aware of an issue we like to sweep under the carpet.

[55Freya]

@55Freya Just bc there are more ppl of a certain pigment level doing something, doesnt mean its about race. There are more white lawyers then "black"...does that mean law schools are racist? There are more "black" basketball players than white...is the sport racist? What about hockey...must be racist bc there are more whites than blacks.... lol. This is your reasoning....lol..

Sorry about the rant, 500 words are too short for a comment.

[55Freya]

@55Freya You say "blacks" are more likely to be convicted then "whites"...but you don't think they actually commit the crimes? You think a judge, jury and police look only at the individuals pigment level and base their judgements on that? You think they are arrested and given jail time based on the color of their skin and not what they have done? You propetuate a stereo type and blame the "system" for an individuals choices..like committing a crime. lol...not everything is about race.

[55Freya]

@Bhikshu2 It was an example. The FACT it there are more "blacks" in jail than whites. So yes, its logical to assume more will be on death row. Don't like it? Who cares? Just bc there are more ppl with  higher pigment (and thats all it is) are in jail doesnt make the system "racist". There are also more brunettes in jail than blondes....does that mean the "system" favours blondes? lol...its ppl like YOU who are racist.

[Bhikshu2]

@55Freya

Citing statistics. A step in the right direction... But you're citing DRUG statistics, and we aren't quite so backwards as to consider drug possession and distribution as a capital offense. That aside, if you honestly think that blacks are THAT much more likely to commit crimes than whites, well... The truth of it is, blacks are more likely to be convicted as part of a larger social pattern which Youtube's 500 character limit, frustratingly, keeps me from exploring sufficiently.

[55Freya]

@55Freya Maybe instead of looking at the color of a person on death row look at the crime. Justice has no color and I don't care how much pigment a person has, if you do crime you go to jail. If you do a heinous crime you should die for it. Maybe instead of saying the system is racist why not try to get "blacks" to stop committing crimes? If there were less "blacks" in jail and who do violent crimes less would be on death row. lol not everything is about race twit.

[55Freya]

@Bhikshu2

Source: Sabol, William J., PhD, Minton, Todd D., and Harrison, Paige M., Bureau of Justice Statistics, Prison and Jail Inmates at Midyear 2006 (Washington, DC: US Department of Justice, June 2007),

Of the 249,400 state prison inmates serving time for drug offenses at yearend 2004, 112,500 (45.1%) were black, 51,800 (20.8%) were Hispanic, and 65,900 (26.4%) were white.

Ever think its JUST a number thing and not racism? If more blacks are in jail in general.. more will be executed.

[Bhikshu2]

@55Freya

Well, no. But you just told me that you are unable to analyze statistics. Blacks are disproportionately more likely to be executed than whites. Probably because we leave this sort of thing up to humans instead of a strict system. People are misled by the culture in which they are inundated-- and our culture has this to say "Black people are dangerous, scary, and alien."

Of course, your head is probably so far up your ass all you see IS black.

[55Freya]

@Bhikshu2 Wow...the death penalty is a racist institution? LOL...thanks for the laugh:) You just told me you are unable to have a logical adult conversation.

[Bhikshu2]

@55Freya

Justice, eh? I can't tell you much about justice, but I can tell you about injustice. I can tell you that the death penalty is a racist institution. I can tell you that innocent men are sent to death row, and executed. I can tell you that it takes an obscene amount of time to get an innocent man off of death row. I can tell you that prosecutors have with alarming frequency withheld evidence that proved beyond a doubt that the accused was innocent.

So yeah. Tell me about your justice.

[SgtSecsy94]

I believe in sexual healing for all prisoners

[55Freya]

@TheSheepwall Which doesnt make any sense at all! lol.....just proves how messed up our justice system is.

[TheSheepwall]

@55Freya I've heard it's more expensive to execute though :X

[55Freya]

@JuggaloBeatbox lol No it is NOT the same at all. Death as a punishment is NOT the same as murder...do you even know the definition of murder? Why make the victims family pay to keep the killer alive? Why WASTE millions on a cruel killer?

[JuggaloBeatbox]

@55Freya if you kill them your doin the same thing they did....murder....let them rot in a cell for the rest of their day....just felt i need to comment...no disrespect....cuz i understand ur argument

[55Freya]

Love Penn and Teller...great show, but still..I approve of the death penalty. For extreme violent crimes where there is no doubt. I agree with Josh..

Whats bullshit is the justice system today where the courts are more concerned with the criminal than the victims, where the criminals well being and feelings are more important then justice.

[TheCinemaJudge]

My version of punishment is rather evil in it's own way. I believe anyone who commits one of the big crimes (Rape, Murder, Ect) should be locked in a 4x4 concrete cell buried underground so no light ever reaches them. That they should be sentenced to solitary confinement from the first day of their sentence to the last. Instead of putting these people in the public eye because of what they did, do what they really fear make them nothing.

[0428733]

@MrKaozKaoz yeah, we could be for weeks on this. será en otra ocasión, mi hermano.

[MrKaozKaoz]

@Waine999 that is the thing, I am not fully PRO death penalty, but sometimes people just see the "moral" side of things, to be 100% objective on such delicate subject you can't just go and say "killing is bad because it IS bad", criminals sometimes enjoy criminal justice system because they know there is nothing that can be done against them that will actually hurt them, specially when you are used to be in jail

[Waine999]

@MrKaozKaoz I can confirm that even in this "best country in the world" (Finland) former prisoners usually go there again. We have EXTREMELY short sentences (2 years for child sexual abuse, 50% off for first-timer and most of the time in community service) and the sad truth is that no matter how much you put them in the will never stay there long enough to learn something. Even our "lifelong" is 12 years.

[PassTheMarmalade1957]

@SigurdHeathen Why? I do not think it is right to deliberately take the life of a human being against their will, and the fact that murder is illegal suggests that society feels the same way...And yet America allows the death penalty. I don't care what a person has done, how many people they've slaughtered, how proud they are that they did it, I will NOT do to them what they have done to their victim, and claim that my version is right or better.

[MrKaozKaoz]

@0428733 I'm taking you speak Spanish but I'll still go with English in any case (I'm from Mexico BTW) and we have this funny guy called "El Pozolero" whom was named that way cause he killed and chopped people (not sure if he actually made Pozole out of them XD) he was arrested and he was LAUGHING when describing how many people he killed and how, I am not pro death penalty, being honest I could care less, but your motivations are moral, I'm not saying you're wrong, but is not objective

[0428733]

@MrKaozKaoz We had Pablo Escobar, who was pretty much the guy you described there. he was eventually gunned down in an assault with some special cops (or killed himself, whatever) the point is, I do not get to decide who dies or who lives, neither you do, neither should a government, remember who is the real villain and remember that him too is human, If vengefully killing him would undo all his wrongs...

[RandomTask3000]

@SigurdHeathen Yep. You are agreeing with me because that is both what I said and what I believe. Not an exaggeration--to the point of absurdity--of a completely unrelated opinion at all. I mean, just look at my comment. How could telling people that decreasing anger jealousy greed pride and ignorance will decrease crime NOT mean what you said. Furthermore, I could have left out the part about "crime is theoretically evitable" and just put what you wrote because it is the SAME.