The Story of Cap and Trade, How the World Thinks it Works

This is a critique of HowTheWorldWorks' critique of an 'indoctrination' video shown to students. Typical climate science denial, shameless punditry, misleading (creationist) tactics. Don't believe the hype, sustainability is for real, global warming is a real threat that must be evaluated reasonable without fear mongering. Don't take HTWW seriously, he is a smart guy, so smart that he knows how to substitute facts with rhetoric & talking points.

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[servo90]

others for falling in to. You also had one piece of evidence to back up your claims - Doren researches quite a bit for his videos and is careful to explain where he got his information from. It would be better to see you make a full, carefully researched rebuttal video rather than merely complaining about the fact that he is fiscally conservative.

[spikesmth]

@servo90 Like I said, I'm just a guy. This is the video you get.

[servo90]

it is in the best interests of industries to create safe products - the fallout from not doing so is very costly. But then, what is a "safe" product? It's about cost - if there is a low potential for harm, combined with a low price, consumers will buy the product. No product can ever be 100% safe. It's about consumers making choices, not bodies telling them what they can and cannot buy.

Look, you seem to be a very smart guy. Buy you are falling into the same traps that you are

[spikesmth]

@servo90 Wiki "Market failure is a concept within economic theory wherein the allocation of goods and services by a free market is not efficient. That is, there exists another outcome where market participants' overall gains from the new outcome outweigh their losses (even if some participants lose under the new arrangement). Market failures can be viewed as scenarios where individuals' pursuit of pure self-interest leads to results that are not efficient that can be improved upon..."

[spikesmth]

@servo90 I'd also add, about safety, some products are inherently unsafe. Think about the oil spill(s) or Dow Chemical's tankers of acids etc. Corporations will spend as little as possible on safety weighed against their expected returns and cost of failure, remember Fight Club? I for one am glad that there are some regulations on industry, because as bad as it is, it could be worse.

[mainestategop]

Cap & trade is only going to be paid for by the working poor. We have similar regulations in Maine and the rich passed that cost to the rest of us by raising costs. That and many businesses pulled out of our state and relocated.

C&T and all this other crap is going to hurt the poor like an A bomb. But, go figure, fish, bugs rats and owls have more worth than a poor person.

[SeerSucker1981]

@servo90 from what i saw...he was able to poke holes in dorans critique, and prove there was some intentional dishonesty on behalf of doran. Which proves Lee Doran is a politcal hack, not an intellectual or an "aw, shucks" honest guy just trying to reveal truths.

[thedeerpusher]

Actually Lee Doren is not a Creationist and I have NO idea where you got that idea. He is against religion and "mysticism". The rest of your argument is specious at best

[supersmash43]

spikesmth=win...enough said. 

[spikesmth]

@servo90 Well, I am just some guy on YouTube, but I also happen to know my shit, i think. :-)

[spikesmth]

@servo90 It doesn't follow that limited government is the primary reason we have had prosperity. There are cultural, geopolitical, and circumstantial reasons as well. Plus for the first hundred years, 1/3 of the population wasn't free by any stretch of the word.

[spikesmth]

@servo90 9: I think strategic dominance over energy resources is the number 1 reason we are there. Gas pipeline, in Afg. Bases on either side of Iran, control of the Gulf and shipping. If we don't take it, China or Russia will, and we can't have that now.

10: We got wealth, and are gradually ruining the environment which 2 billion agrarian people depend upon. Instead of giving aid to corrupt govs & exploiting cheap labor, we should subsidize sustainable energy in the 3rd world. And schools.

[spikesmth]

@servo90 7: It isn't a conspiracy, it's simply a result of chance and our socio economic structure. Wealthy people have advantages that the poor do not. The idea that "hard work" is all you need to succeed is a myth propagated by free market fundamentalists. Econ lesson> welfare is a subsidy

8: We are destroying the carbon sinks (forests/coral/plankton) which naturally balance the decomposition. Ideally it's a carbon neutral process. We have brought disequilibrium. The magnitude is a discussion.