@jersey1969krw the difference is the above groups don't do it unnecessarily like chiropractors! you're so fooled into that scam that you try that overused excuse.
why is this directed at chiropractors and not the procedure itself, that being cervical manipulation? some P.T's,M.D.'s and osteopathes also perform cervical manipulation. Also physiotherapists. some chiropractors like the mentioned practitioners don't perform HVLA cerv. manipulation. i also encourage people to look at the recent Danish study showing correlation with taking NSAIDs and stroke in healthy people. Google Danish NSAID study just came out.
@ospreylookout Hmmm, I'm still looking for those terms to be used in any study regarding chiropractic I've come across. "Subluxation" is also an ill-defined term. There is no set meaning for it.
@ospreylookout AHCPR had the best study on acute LBP to date (1994). SMT was the only tx found to improve function and reduce pain. The panel of 17 had 2 chiros on it. Seomhow, this study is ignored consistently.
@trulyheaven777 Good research is good research, period. If the research quality meets the criteria (which it has not even approached, for the most part), it is accepted. There is no conspiracy. Give it a break already. Chiros for the most part wouldn't know which end of a research journal to open first, if their practice depended upon it.
@trulyheaven777 I suggest that you get yourself an education in health science at a level that can provide you with the background with which to discuss this at a level past the anecdotal. With such an education in research methodology as well as physiological principles, you might stop to ask yourself what "vitalism" and "subluxation" refer to and how on earth "maintanance" visits to the chiro do more rip people off. DUH!
@Jacktoast21 Yeah. Me niether. I went for an elbow problem that had months of 'medical/scientific' failures under it's belt and two weeks of chiro treatment and it was gone for years. I had no idea what chiropractic was, didn't go through any patient education at all, but it still worked and I was far from desperate. Just irked that my ortho couldn't even give me a proper stretch without asking another ortho and the pills/shots only put me to sleep while not reducing the pain/swelling.
@ospreylookout Not really. If you want to say a 'clean' study like Cherkin is "good science" even though it really didn't test SMT or even PT in a proper clinical setting for either, nor showed results adequate for the conclusions he drew, then so beit. But I think it's pretty obvious there is a great deal of bias against pro-chiro research. No matter how good it ever is, there will be a core of researchers that claim otherwise.
my uncle was killed by a chiropractor because of this same thing! he was 30!
GuitarSlayer338 4 months ago
my uncle was killed by a chiropractor because of this same thing!
GuitarSlayer338 4 months ago
@jersey1969krw the difference is the above groups don't do it unnecessarily like chiropractors! you're so fooled into that scam that you try that overused excuse.
jf1gd2 10 months ago
why is this directed at chiropractors and not the procedure itself, that being cervical manipulation? some P.T's,M.D.'s and osteopathes also perform cervical manipulation. Also physiotherapists. some chiropractors like the mentioned practitioners don't perform HVLA cerv. manipulation. i also encourage people to look at the recent Danish study showing correlation with taking NSAIDs and stroke in healthy people. Google Danish NSAID study just came out.
jersey1969krw 1 year ago
@ospreylookout Hmmm, I'm still looking for those terms to be used in any study regarding chiropractic I've come across. "Subluxation" is also an ill-defined term. There is no set meaning for it.
trulyheaven777 1 year ago
@ospreylookout AHCPR had the best study on acute LBP to date (1994). SMT was the only tx found to improve function and reduce pain. The panel of 17 had 2 chiros on it. Seomhow, this study is ignored consistently.
trulyheaven777 1 year ago
@trulyheaven777 Good research is good research, period. If the research quality meets the criteria (which it has not even approached, for the most part), it is accepted. There is no conspiracy. Give it a break already. Chiros for the most part wouldn't know which end of a research journal to open first, if their practice depended upon it.
ospreylookout 1 year ago
@trulyheaven777 I suggest that you get yourself an education in health science at a level that can provide you with the background with which to discuss this at a level past the anecdotal. With such an education in research methodology as well as physiological principles, you might stop to ask yourself what "vitalism" and "subluxation" refer to and how on earth "maintanance" visits to the chiro do more rip people off. DUH!
ospreylookout 1 year ago
@Jacktoast21 Yeah. Me niether. I went for an elbow problem that had months of 'medical/scientific' failures under it's belt and two weeks of chiro treatment and it was gone for years. I had no idea what chiropractic was, didn't go through any patient education at all, but it still worked and I was far from desperate. Just irked that my ortho couldn't even give me a proper stretch without asking another ortho and the pills/shots only put me to sleep while not reducing the pain/swelling.
trulyheaven777 1 year ago
@ospreylookout Not really. If you want to say a 'clean' study like Cherkin is "good science" even though it really didn't test SMT or even PT in a proper clinical setting for either, nor showed results adequate for the conclusions he drew, then so beit. But I think it's pretty obvious there is a great deal of bias against pro-chiro research. No matter how good it ever is, there will be a core of researchers that claim otherwise.
trulyheaven777 1 year ago