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@spankybighead Defensively, Marquez got countered with straights and hooks so many times... But Marquez did a great job as well. They both made eachother miss and they both got in some good shots. That said, Pac just did more... which is why he won.
At this point, I think that some of the same people who felt Marquez won, thought Atom won on points in "Real Steel" and thought that Rocky beat Tarver in "Rocky Balboa." On the scorecards (and in the movies), it simply doesn't work that way.
zentetsutakama 1 day ago
@spankybighead I'm well aware of the criterea for judging boxing... as were the judges that night. Pac's punches were very fast, and many of them were clean... they just were "fast" over "big." Bullets over cannons. Pac's aggression was also effective because Pac was the one pushing forward for practically the whole night (further proof that he was never in any real danger). Ring generalship applies here as well (Pac went wherever he wanted.. Marquez almost always yielded the ground).
zentetsutakama 1 day ago
@spankybighead He was able to counter well, but I hardly consider it to be Marquez that displayed the ring generalship. And while Pac's offense wasn't his usual "blow-away" dominance, it was most certainly effective. He broke through Marquez's "defensive, counter punching, ring generalship strategy" and outlanded/outworked/chased/outdamaged the man. As an objective fight fan (not bringing insane expectations for Pac against Marquez), Marquez just didn't do enough... Pac still got through.
zentetsutakama 1 day ago
@spankybighead Again, Freddie wanted the knockout... he tried to push Pac into doing it as hard as he could. And yes, Pac chased Marquez all night (again, as of late, when it comes to Pac opponents, they all run). That's just a testament to Pacquiao, because Marquez did no such running against Mayweather... in the ring, Marquez had far more respect for Pacquiao.
zentetsutakama 1 day ago
@spankybighead Defensively you can stay away (aka run), cover up, clinch, and pot shot... those are easier to do in a real combat situation than putting yourself out there to overwhelm someone with your punches. Less chances are taken with a defensive style. Your stamina is going to last longer (because you're not doing as much with that style), your chances of being open are smaller because defensively you can become a smaller target and cover up. These facts transcend skill level.
zentetsutakama 1 day ago
@spankybighead What you're not getting is that I get what you've been saying. You're taking away the notion that I'm saying defense is "Easy." Big difference, not saying that... I'm saying it's easiER. Fighters get in more trouble being offensive than in being defensive... no matter what skill level they're at. Technically, being offensive burns through your stamina, leaves you open to counters, dodges, and intercepts, and can easily hit gloves/arms/non-point areas. I covered this before.
zentetsutakama 1 day ago
@spankybighead lol seriously, Marquez was outlanded and outworked... that's hardly "Taking his offense away." Pacquiao's "normal" offensive dominance was taken away... big difference... but that wasn't even his gameplan going into the fight. From the get-go, Pac's plan was the draw Marquez out and then counter-the-counterpuncher. Which is what he'd done all night with straight lefts and right hooks. Offense is harder, but it's more respected. Defense isn't as respected because it's easier.
zentetsutakama 1 day ago
@spankybighead You can say Marquez swells easily, but Pac is also someone that damages easily. In Marquez 3, he had a practically fresh face at the end. Marquez visibly took more of the damage that night. Also don't confuse Pac's face when round 12 ended with whether or not he won. He didn't blow past Marquez/meet fan expectations to that effect, naturally that's going to bother him... victory had nothing to do with it. Likewise, Freddie wanted the knockout and pushed for Pac to do it.
zentetsutakama 1 day ago
@zentetsutakama One last thing. Keep this in mind. There are 4 criteria when judging a boxing match. 1. Clean punching. 2. Effective aggression. 3.Ring generalship. 4.Defense. Anyone who's honest can say that not many boxers apply all 4. We can also say that not all fights create a situation for all 4 to be used. However, if a fighter with just offense, gets into a match with someone who can apply all 4 items, that fighter will have trouble.
spankybighead 4 days ago
@zentetsutakama Pac couldn't apply that offense effectively. I don't care what those judges scored. And that compu box output has been questioned greatly. Freddie knew Pac was losing. Hell even Pac knew, which is why he walked to his corner, arms down. You can imagine it anyway you want but we all know the truth. So the blueprint is out on Pac. Good defense positioning, head movement and counters are how you beat Pac and Floyd will do it even easier if they fight.
spankybighead 4 days ago