Part 2, Skeptic side of RCRC Climate Debate

Presentation by Warren Meyer, of climate-skeptic.com, at the California Regional Council of Rural Counties at South Lake Tahoe in September, 2008. The presentation is called "Don't Panic -- A Critique of Catastrophic Man-Made Global Warming Theory." Focuses on a number of topics, including the lack of real evidence of anthropogenic climate change as well as the use of positive feedback in models to create catastrophic forecasts.

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• weather
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• co2
• environment
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[bfpccbm]

Fools will hand their freedoms and their country to the IPCC.................

[anoniab]

I understand - great analogies regarding averages, lol!

[gufpott]

4TIMESAYEAR

I agree. Average global temperature is unphysical. It is about as sensible as the average one-breasted, one testacled human being.

There is some custom and practice in climatology using trends of average temperatures. Frankly I find the whole thing hopelessly flawed for a number of reasons.

But when others make points about global averages, it is often tempting to get drawn in to help them test their own logic. Sorry 'bout that.

[4TIMESAYEAR]

We both know which day got hotter, but the irrational warmist will say the higher "average" made the day that hovered in the 70's was hotter. This is nonsense. Only actual temps should count, and if the actual temps aren't getting hotter, then there is no warming. And it's certainly not "global".

[4TIMESAYEAR]

@gufpott It is a grave error to think the whole globe is either warming or cooling. All temps are local; a "global average" of 59 will not melt ice anywhere it's below freezing, and certainly not in Antarctica where it's -50; nor does a "global average" mean anything right now to anyone in Iowa where it's -10 below zero. Averages mean nothing. You can have a day that hovers in the 70's for 24 hrs with a higher average than a day that the temp reaches 80 with a low of 60.

[weallknowitstrue]

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There were NO weapons of mass destruction in Iraq - just as Dr. Hans Blix said; But, the Republican media machine didn't want us to hear that.

And, there is NO dangerous climate change caused by human carbon dioxide - just as the "independent scientists" are now trying to tell us! But, the Democrat media machine doesn't want us to hear that.

We are made to run from one boogieman to the next, as each political party achieves its own agendas for themselves & their money mates.

BOB CARTER

[gufpott]

"it is disinformative to merely claim that since the INTERIOR of Antarctica is cooling and using that to claim the whole Earth is cooling, because that's simply not true"

Agreed - we've got to look at the whole globe.

It is similarly wrong to translate Arctic or Siberian warming into claims of global warming.

And inconsistent to claim recent Arctic ice anomaly trend is evidence of CAGW, whilst ignoring a contrary trend in Antarctica.

[jffryfnt]

Mind you, Antarctica is difficult to assess. Currently, Western Antarctica is warming, however the interior of the continent is cooling. Does that make sense? Interestingly there's a growing range of temperatures seen in Antarctica on the whole continent. What's causing it? By the way, it is disinformative to merely claim that since the INTERIOR of Antarctica is cooling and using that to claim the whole Earth is cooling, because that's simply not true.

[jffryfnt]

Well a seemingly simple question may not have a simple answer. In a broad sense, if cooling in Antarctica is observed, what's causing it? Is it the sun? Is there a change in atmospheric/oceanic patterns? What is the length of this cooling and in response to what factors? If there is a long term cooling trend in Antarctica, probably the Earth is cooling as well.

[gufpott]

jffry

I understood you perfectly well when you claimed Antarctica follows the rest of the planet. Don't know if I'm convinced by it, and your point was clouded by references to some kind of *virtual thermostat".

But you still have not answered the question: if the only thing that happens is cooling at Antarctica, what impact would that have on an assessment of global mean temperature?

(Hint: it's a simple question about calculating an average. Even *I* know the answer to it.)