Torah, Qur'an, & Dead Sea Scrolls

The Qur'an says the Book given to Musa (Moses), is equal to that of the Qur'an? What's this mean when the Dead Sea Scrolls show that the Torah we have in the Old Testament has changed little to none in over 2000 years?

10. Say: "Tell me! If this (Qur'ân) is from Allâh, and you deny it, and a witness from among the Children of Israel ('Abdullâh bin Salâm ) testifies that this Qur'ân is from Allâh [like the Taurât (Torah)], so he believed (embraced Islâm) while you are too proud (to believe)." Verily! Allâh guides not the people who are Zâlimûn (polytheists, disbelievers and wrong-doing).

11. And those who disbelieve (strong and wealthy) say of those who believe (weak and poor): "Had it (Islâmic Monotheism to which Muhammad is inviting mankind) been a good thing, they (weak and poor) would not have preceded us thereto!" And when they have not let themselves be guided by it (this Qur'ân), they say: "This is an ancient lie!"

12. And before this was the Scripture of Mûsa (Moses) as a guide and a mercy. And this is a confirming Book (the Qur'ân) in the Arabic language, to warn those who do wrong, and as glad tidings to the Muhsinûn (good-doers - see V.2:112).

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• Sea
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• Qur'an
• Islam
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• Moses
• Christianity
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[SuperAmsterdamWest]

the proof of islam is muhammed pbuh he was described in the bible before he came and no one knew that only god cause he sent him so that must be a miracle of god and you cant denied it that muhammed pbuh is a prophet and islam is the truth

[RammatRamzi]

@SuperAmsterdamWest

Where is Mr. (pbuh) described in the Bible?

[SuperAmsterdamWest]

@RammatRamzi in the song of solomon in hebrew

the english translation doesnt say the name muhammed pbuh

but the hebrew bible is the first bible and it says clearly muhammed

[RammatRamzi]

@SuperAmsterdamWest

Isn't the Song of Solomon supposed to be pornography to Muslims? By the way, I thought the Quran has Muhammad saying that you will see his name in the Torah, not the Song of Solomon, and, it won't be "Muhammad", but, "Ahmad".

[exposemyfoes]

@RammatRamzi u joker song of solomon is part of the torah and as far as the porn in it,well we treat it like the rest of the bible,some of it is gods word the rest is corruption

[RammatRamzi]

@exposemyfoes

Oh, so Allah's words CAN be corrupted? CAN be "changed and altered"? If so, how corrupted? Can't be TOO corrupted, right? I mean, the Qur'an says it's a "confirmation of the previous Scriptures" (Bible), so, the Bible really can't be corrupted, can it?

[DragonDriver100]

@exposemyfoes

I take it that you believe ALL the "Books of Allah" are corrupted exCEPT for the Qur'an, and, that you CAN make distinction beTWEEN Allah's Books, true?

[exposemyfoes]

@RammatRamzi obviously the bible is proof that gods words can be changed if he allows them too,which he did with the previous scriptures,but he has promised to guard the quran from corruption because the quran is till the day of ressurection whilst the previous scriptures were for a certain time period,and the quran says that it is a MUHAYMIN of the previous scripture,which means it is a quality control to confirm and correct the corrupt bible,

[eatingeatingeating]

You are correct. The recent copies are very close to the Older copies. They contain the same contradictions - I ask that you think about why they contain the same contradictions? Surely, it is because the original authors were different people, with different understandings, and different agendas. Yet, all these are placed within one Book! Now, is such a Book the original word of God or merely the interpretations of men who got things wrong because they were not vigilant to the actual message?

[drsaberkhan]

@drsaberkhan and most important, those scrolls were 1000 yrs post-moses' estimated life. if, in the year 3010, someone finds a scroll of something that was changed this year, and its original was written in 2005, theyd go `this 1000 years old year old copy proves there has been no change!' the torah mentions josiah found a copy moshe's laws (assumed deuteronomy). SO 2600 YEARS back, in israel itself, the torah had disappeared or been changed. the DSC are only 2000 +/- 50 years old.

[drsaberkhan]

@drsaberkhan now im not a scholar but im a scientist i believe what i can ascertain-thats why God gave us brains (my own view, not religious). first off no collaborative multireligious group got to see the scrolls. i mean the jordanians are still hollering. countries mainly christian/jewish studied it held onto it said `yeah its the same'. no neutral observer. please note this aint an accusation its a lack of transparency. more important: the hebrew pictoral script is different with markings

[drsaberkhan]

@eatingeatingeating the dead sea scrolls have a HUGE set of controversies about them brother. im a muslim-by choice. the dead sea scrolls are a copy of the torah over 1200 years after moshe/musa/moses wrote it. think about it, its 600 years after the version king josiah found underneath the temple. so it proves the torah today is very close to accurate to the version 2000 years back. thats still 1000 years bro and THERE ARE DIFFERENCES.

[RammatRamzi]

@XfreesyriafreeX

Well, if the Jews did, it had to be beFORE the creation of the Dead Sea Scrolls, don't you think? I mean, all the Torahs that are in the "Book" (which makes "People of the Book") match in meaning with the Dead Sea Scrolls. Of course, since they do, how come Quran 2:106 never kicked in to abrogate and say that Muhammad's name (Ahmad) USE to be in the Torah, instead of saying that it's IN the Torah? By the way, didn't Allah have the Jews guarding the Allah's words, the Torah?