Efilism Schmefilism

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[filrabat]

Impossibility to do something everywhere in the cosmos =/= pointless to do on Earth or anywhere else within our sphere of physical access (present or future). By that standard, it's makes no sense to eradicate war, hunger, disease, poverty, corruption, etc. just because we can't do it elsewhere in the cosmos - or do anything else at all for that matter. Yet it'd be frankly batshit insane to argue against activism, etc. on the basis we can't do it elsewhere outside our travel radius.

[gabiotta]

@filrabat

It was talking to you, btw, that made me draw the clear line between the two camps on the other side of this conversation.

[Coughlan616]

The fact that diana boston supports antinatalism is reason enough for me to think its a good thing...the last thing we want is that hairy old wonky toothed bint reporducing

[TheMercilessEye]

Thank you for this one, Gabiotta. While all this foofaraw continues, the planet's atmospheric and surface temperatures continue to rise, as do the oceans, as do the greenhouse gases. It would be rather difficult to 'change the world' when the surface temp. exceeds 65 degrees celsius and sulfur dioxide levels are rising to the point of extinguishing all life. I view most of this debate on the 'whichness of the why' as essentially worthless.

[d0llsnatch]

@Coughlan616 "hairy old wonky toothed" thought you were describing yourself mate!

[paxguerilla]

@MrWarrenLO The logic is actually that Life is good because the concept of "good" is created by Life through its desire and ability to define itself. The definition that Life gave itself is "good". If that is "circular" then what's wrong with circles?

Efilists do seem to be claiming that they will end all sentient life, yet they fail to recognize that cell bodies are sentient, and those basic lives are the ones that they will either have to "mercy kill" or convince.

[paxguerilla]

@MrWarrenLO Oh thanks. Next check out my video "are all efilists mean?" Then go watch my other videos about cellular consciousness.

[MrWarrenLO]

@paxguerilla

I checked out your vid/comments.

If you're going to title something "Why Efilism Fails" you really should know something about it and you should have more in your arsenal than "convince a cell life is bad" and ramble about how cells have a conception of life. Cells aren't sentient, they don't perceive or have subjective experiences.

Also the circular logic of life is good because it's good will piss people off.

The Lion King made a more compelling argument than you did.

[paxguerilla]

ANs tried to make me feel badly and look stupid for talking with my subbers about their pet subject. It would do more for their cause if they encouraged people to discuss the idea, without requiring a wholistic rebuttal attempt which they then cry about.

[KillingKeymo]

@filrabat So, you're somehow aware of possess the knowledge that all my siblings , cousins, aunts, etc. are in anguish and in pain, simply because they exist? It's not your fault, dude . . . . It's not your fault.

[filrabat]

@KillingKeymo Siblings, parents, cousins, aunts, uncles. Can't get any clearer than that.

[KillingKeymo]

@filrabat The anguish of our surviving families . . . What the actual fuck are you talking about?!

[gabiotta]

@filrabat

Then we are in accord. Perhaps we think it does good for different reasons, but that is a mute point.

[filrabat]

@gabiotta

I'm not talking about realism on the species level. Knight (VHEMT spokesperson) himself admits the chances of ALL of us voluntary ceasing procreation are "between slim and none". Phil. ANs definitely agree (though many, including me, aren't VHEMTers). All I'm saying is that if we convince even only a tiny fraction to forego children based on our arguments, it still does some good. As for realism - depends on whether it's the individual or species level, This is the crux, I guess.